One thing I can't understand

Is this artificial way of assessing Davey's record in years rather than seasons. That isn't how football is played or works. Yes if you take 2008 league from hasn't been good. but if you take 2007 then it was very good. A manager can only be assessed on the basis of a season, not an arbitary period of time. We could have a poor run til December and have a blinding second half of the season.

Surely thats how managers hsould be judged? If last season had been the other way round would dispondant fans be positive about this year if we'd started badly and finished on a high?

 

Ifs and buts

We didn't finish on a high. We had a poor second half to the season. Surely our most recent form is the best way to judge. That's what form is. How you're doing over a recent period of time. Whether you take that as last season as a whole (poor) or the latter half of last season (very poor) or pre-season (poor) or the start to this season (very poor) it doesn't look good. If you like we can look at how well we did last Autumn, but in my opinion that has no relevance at all. Our form is poor, and I don't think there should be any argument about that at all.

 

Yes but bear in mind

You can have a terrible run until December and if thats the case 9 out of 10 times the second part of the season will be rubbish. Plus the fact that that 'terrible start' will take some catching up if you just happen to improve a bit. Then we are fighting relegation, again. Not a mid table finish as predicted.

 

RE: Yes but bear in mind

My reason for going on like a broken record about this statistic is that it is the clearest indicator that we have of what's to come.

And the record we've had suggests a nightmare season. I hope I'm wrong.

 

Totally agree with you here

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But we've improved the last two seasons. Wouldn't you be happy if we ended on 56 points this season?

 

But who has predicted mid-table finish? I think stopping up would be a very good achievemnet

 

Yes

Another season like last would do me fine. My expectations for this season are very low. I'm not gnashing my teeth and calling for the head of the manager. But I'm not blinded to the fact that our form is poor.

 

I totally agree. But our form and points per game suggests last place. Thats why I'm SHITTING myself about this season.

 

my thoughts too

wow!!! are we bonding or WHAT

 

Not trying to defend Davey, or form or have a dig at all, but do you think the squad is wosre than last season then?

 

Well we've had a point per game since christmas which most years would keep us up, and we have a lot of players to come back that have missed this period suggesting form should return to what it was when they were fit.

I'm worried about the goalscoring front, but i think that is a reality of economics. £1.25 gets you Hume who isn't a 20 goal a season man so leaves us reliant on Howard again, and we need pace at the back, but footballing wise I saw a lot of positives on sat

 

It worries me when after the Cov game Davey comes out with "We'll go back to the drawing board"

So after all this time at BFC he's going back to the drawing board.

What what the point in pre-season? What did he learn from last season?

Not a lot if we're back to the drawing board after 3 games.

 

I don't think we need to do that though necessarily. I think Foster in the middle with Van Homeot back is positive and I'd like to see Potter fit and thats pace solved (plus Nyatnaga might turn up if he can't get in Derby's squad).

Then if you add JCR and Anderson to midfield and Macken and Hume click we're looking stronger than last year perhaps?

 

I don't think it's any better

And last season we had a number of players performing right at the top of their game which may not happen this season.

As for the new signings: I prefer Nyatanga to Moore. Hume is a solid if unspectacular Championship performer who we've paid half a million too much for. Colace and El Haimour are massive gambles and I'm not surprised neither are currently in the team. There's so many variables to consider when buying foreign players: work permits, can they cope with the physicality of the English game, are they good enough for the Championship, can they settle in the area. I think it was very poor judgement in buying two foreign players for two key positions. It's not as though either was an excellent performer at the club from which they were bought. Colace was a promising youngster but has done nothing at senior level. El Haimour is a Swiss League journeyman who has made a career out of getting relegated.

We needed a younger and quicker centre half than Moore. A solid left back; a position we have completely failed to identify as a problem area. A central midfielder and left sided midfielder that have experience of Championship football. And a goal scoring striker. Only Hume is even close to ticking the right boxes.

 

Who predicted mid table? n/t

 

Enjoying having a reasoned conversation!

Agree completely on the left back which is disappointing. I saw El Hamour play against York and second half he was at the heart of everything we did well. Good left foot and although light weight put himself about. Colace I can't comment but in a month he wouldn't be first choice anyway and to get an English player of his quality would be very expensive because of the premium attached to English players. I do think Moore is a good person to have around the club and if we had a quick centre half would be very good. Was guuted about Nyatanga but he made his choice.

Hume agree with the fee but he does improve us. Would rather have had patterson for the money, but was speaking to my mate who is a Burnely fan and he says they pay ridiculous wages so doubt we'd have got him

 

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