One thing I don't understand about Mark Robins.

I keep reading what a fantastic job he did last seaon in over turning a 17pt deficit and nearly getting RUFC into the play offs. Whilst that does have some truth, it's the next bit that I find laughable ie 'If it hadn't been for the 17 pt deduction they would have got promoted'.

That's nonsense. If it hadn't been for the 17 pt deduction, they may have signed different players, these players may or may not have gelled - and the 17pt deduction, more often than not, bonds the club together and acts as a motivator to do well. Would Rotherham have been so focussed on winning as many games early on to overturn the deficict as possible without the deduction?? I think that's unlikely.

You only have to look at that mediocre Leeds team of a few years back (with the -15 deduction) to show that adverse circumstances can actually be as benefical as a good manager when it comes to winning football games.

 

aye but look at Southampton they're struggling to get rid of their defecit? I still think you have to motivate your team be it promotion, mid table or relegation you need to be competing in every single game not rolling over like a dry trout every week at home

 

Your right - thats why they have really struggled at the start of this season - no adversity, no points deficit and no team bonding.

Oh - hold on - they are 2nd.

I'd call it good motivation from the manager.

 

I agree some Managers have great luck but if he came to us he'd probably lose it. I hope Tony Adams doesn't come because there was speculation.

 

Agreed. You start a season with the aim of winning something.

If you've got bugger all chance of winning the league cos you're 17 points behind then were's the incentive to do well? You can argue it both ways so it's up to the manager, whatever teh circumstances, to use those circumstances to motivate the teams. Robins seems to have achieved that both ways with Rotherham. Done well with a points deduction and now doing well without one.

 

Ye you have a point but i think there doing well is because they have goalscorers. We don't thats fit except Boggy.

 

He lots his main goal scorer in the summer. He's signed another unknown who's fit straight into the team. Another sign of good management?

 

Mark Robins

He better have a good idea of decent left backs because Kozluks form is poor, he needs a rest or something.

 

You can see it either way

If it hadn't been for the deduction they may have signed different players. Those players could have gelled, and they could have gone on to win the league. Who knows? You can't form an opinion on someone based on speculation. His performance so far at Rotherham, under a lot of restraints has been excellent. He seems to handle the pressure well and has managed to steady the ship and get them looking like they will go up this season. He has obviously got managerial skills and has been doing well with L2 resources. Take those skills and give him Championship resources and he may do a similar job in this division. I consider him to be high profile too. He played at the top level for a long time, and scored goals regularly so is used to the players at this level, he was better than most of what we have got. He ticks a lot of boxes.

 

RE: You can see it either way

I agree mate. My point was that people say 'they would have won promotion had it not been for the 17pt deduction' - as though it was a given. That simplifies the situation IMHO.

 

what a ****

be optimistic for a change, the lot of ya

proper annoying reading this drivel day in, day out

 

Hi lads n lassess, new on here but have been reading your posts for years, sometimes agreeing but most of them have left me shaking my head in disbelief at the sheer stupidity of some of your reasoning, everyone has a right to an opinion and to say what they think but to have a go at someone for doing well against all the odds as Robins did last season just beggars belief, most teams in the same situation would have struggled to stay up at best, yet Robins almost did the impossible and nearly made the play offs.
Robins has got Rotherham playing the game in the right way by being positive and attacking teams and keeping the ball on the deck, this alone would be a massive improvement on the crap we have had to endure with simple Simon in charge, all Iam saying Disco is get behind the team as you no doubt do and then see how things play out give the new man a chance and he may just turn out to be the right man.

 

RE: You can see it either way

Agreed. Even if it was as simple as adding 17pts on to their total, they still would only be in the play offs. All just speculation.

 

Indeed

It proves he has and can work in adversity, which in my book, at Barnsley is one of the main requirements.....JMV

 

BTW

Welcme Jake, the more level headed posters the better. I'm all for debate and other people opinion, but some the negative b#llox you get.....well....that why I started posting......to help the sane ones out....JMV

 

RE: BTW

thats why i decided to start posting, football is all about opinions but the amount of negativity on here is unbelievable, it would be interesting to know the ages of some of the people as some dont seem to realise how lucky we have been to support the Reds over the last 12 years or so, promotion, the premier league, old Wembley playoffs, millenium playoffs, new wembley playoffs the cup run and wembley semi.
I know Iam gonna get some ribbing for this bit but here I go "when i war a lad all the above were just a dream," we all want the best for our team, so does Patrick Cryne, so keep the faith, hold onto the dream, believe in the new manager and the good times may just be around the corner.