One thing I've noticed...

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    That every fan that says they're not coming again always mention the fact that they've been a fan since 1964 or for 30 years or something. Must have stopped going a lot of times in those years, seem to always come back though.
     
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    That's OK then. Not complacent at all.
     
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    Think they're just making the point that they're not these bandwagon jumpers and part timers, they are dyed in the wool fans that have just had enough of the current situation and their opinions and actions means more than part timers/band wagon jumpers. I think anyway
     
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    It does make you wonder how they managed to make it to 30 years because they must pack their season ticket every couple of seasons at least. Probably said the same last year when MR was ONLY keeping us up comfortably and not playing 'attractive' football. I still think back to the admin season when things get bad. A bad run of form seems insignificant compared to that.
     
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    Personally I think they're just egotistical, and what someone to pat them on the back and say how brilliant they are as fans and don't leave us now we need your support. I'd rather they just didn't turn up if they want to be negative, no doubt they'll be there next year though.
     
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    Exactly, I'm not old enough to remember the old division 4 days but they must have been pretty dire too. Think some people need a bit of perspective, look at the quality of players we're up against every week.
     
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    I am old enough to remember the old division 4 days also the relegation under Parkin from this league last time round and the almost relagation under bodges

    Yes we are poor at the moment but I've seen us be a lot worse - as will any fan of 30+ years standing so I take the never going again posts with a rather large pinch of salt

    No one forces anyone to watch so they are quite welcome to stop - but they dont need to be such drama queens and what exactly are they trying to achieve its a great plan to say sack the board or sack the manager - but thats only even remotely valid if you propose a better (and achieveable ) alternative
     
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    Agreed, everyone's free to do what they want but to put on a show like they're all doing just makes them look like children, old children judging by how many years they've been going etc etc ;)
     
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    Can't speak for others, and until now I've deliberately not said anything, because I didn't want to write anything in haste, BUT I am pretty fed up with the whole situation.
    It doesn't make a Keith Hill- hater, or super negative or egotistical.... it's just for the first time since I supported the club I am doubting the wisdom of buying a Season Ticket. It's not an over-reaction, just a genuine thought-process.
    Maybe I have other things in my life I'd rather do, or maybe I'm just getting old & cynical.
    I don't want a medal, I just remember looking forward to weekends for football reasons, and slowly that has been chipped away.

    The thing for me is the acceptance of the club that we will always struggle. The negativity that some fans have, is in my opinion, bred by the club. We have an owner who seemingly doesn't want to own it, (and is basically doing it as a favour to the club he loves cos no other bugger is daft enough). We have a board that does not seem to wish to expand. We have a miniscule budget, and seem to be down-sizing as we go. (I do not wish us to live outside our means by the way).

    The club's only main sources of income are selling players, advertising, and ticket sales. All reliant on success on the pitch. How can we possibly grow? It's like saying we are gambling on getting lucky. Nothing proactive. No invention on marketing, no speculating to accumulate. Catering - farmed out with the end result we don't care what we offer our fans, because it's nothing to do with us as a club. (Half the snack bars are closed anyway) Merchandising - farmed out... no scope for club profit there. Preedy's potentially a money spinner for the club, but sits virtually empty game after game, and it still takes two members of staff 10 minutes to pour a pint.

    Keith Hill did a great job in the first half of the season, but comparing the squad now to then - it makes me fear for the future. I'm not saying it's his fault, but there is little room for enthusiasm anywhere.
    Where are the rallying cries to get fans to back the team? Where's all the "stronger together" campaign? (And no, with the greatest respect to the efforts of the Supporters Trust, a poster just won't do it). We need something to galvanise us, something to put the pride back, instead of the continual reminders that we're a small club, injuries, fans need to relise it's a work in progress, blah blah blah.

    I think when people refer to how long they've supported the team, it is in some cases relevant .... because yes, in theory there have been worse times, but maybe people's priorities change, or they find times are harder now. For me, it will always be my club, and hopefully I'll feel enthused again. A win on Saturday may show us all to be fickle, I don't know... I just fear for the future because, up and coming young players aside, there doesn't seem to be a great deal to shout about.

    So, whilst I'd agree there may be a few "over-reactors" on here, there are also one or two who are genuinely bothered about their club, and have real concerns. If you want to pigeon-hole me in the "over reactors", that's fine.
     
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    You seem to think that I expect every person to be completely happy with the club, that isn't the case. Everyone is entitled to their view and of course priorities change, but make that decision based on many factors, not just because we've won one in ten or lost away at Palace or whatever it is. I'm only 19 (20 next week, scary thought) but I'll be living in Luton next year and am still going to get a season ticket, haven't had one for the last couple of years as I can't afford it being a student. It's going to cost me £50 in petrol and 6 hours of driving for an home game next year, but I'm going to do it for most home games. Maybe after 30 years of doing daft stuff like that I'll be annoyed enough by a bad run of form to pack it all in, who knows.
     
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    And in 30yrs time you'll still be paying for that £50 tank of petrol that was paid for with your student loan.......good luck to you fella
     
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    I've been watching since the old 4th division days

    Well, since the promotion from the 4th division which is 33 years ago, but I haven't seen us any worse than we are now. I've seen us equally as bad under Parkin and Hodges but I wouldn't say we were any worse.

    This squad would undoubtedly be relegated from the Championship as our current form is showing, just like we were under Parkin and in my opinion it would struggle in League 1, just like we did under Hodges.

    I'm not being a drama queen about it, the standard of football isn't going to stop me going, but in my opinion this is as poor a side as I've ever seen play for Barnsley. We can go whole months with just a couple of shots on target. That hasn't happened before.
     
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    It won't be paid for with my student loan, it will be paid for by my wage thank you :)
     
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    Ooh norravin that

    The side that nearly got relegated from League 1 was absolutely fcking appalling. Sunday league.

    The side that preceded it that got us relegated was bereft of any sort of idea.

    Both (imho naturally) were worse than the current lot.
     
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    Re: Ooh norravin that

    I can't see owt between 'em.

    Both those teams you mentioned had a lot more efforts at goal.
     
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    Re: Ooh norravin that

    Most from Isiah or Rory that ended up at the back of the ponty.
     
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    I do wonder if I can be arsed to keep going, but I still turn up come August - its just what I do.
    But those at the club are the biggest perpetuators of this whole "negativity at Oakwell".
    We are constantly reminded of how lucky we are. Continually told we cant compete. Forever told that the other team has better players, more money, more fans etc etc etc... and we always flog our talent, whilst increasing admission costs. Its hardly inspiring.
    Expect negativity when the least you expect or serve up, IS the least.
    From January, KK has told us - thus the players too - that survival would be massive, which maybe it is. But the players have since taken that as an excuse to play gash - it seems, and so the fans arent exactly going to rush for tickets, which have again been increased
     
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    Re: Ooh norravin that

    Didn't Dyer get almost 20 goals in both those seasons?
     
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    In my very long and drawn out way I was trying to suggest why some people might feel the need to indicate how long they've supported the club,(ref your initial post). In my case, apart from the days when I was at uni, I have always had a season ticket ... Even in the really crap times. I've never had the slightest intention of not getting one.
    Maybe the fact that I'm doubting the wisdom says I'm fickle, or I'm over reacting, I don't know. All I know is that I've probably seen worse football, and tougher times, but I've never felt as un-enthused by the whole club as I do now. I think quite a few people are thinking that way.
     
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    Re: Ooh norravin that

    That was the end of the scoring though.
     
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