Our main strikers

our two main strikers last year scored 28 goals between them, Chalpin and Woodrow
This year Chaplin has 1 goal in 17 outings. And Woodrow has 1 goal in 16 outings.
My question is why do we need two new strikers. Do we not think it is how Struber,s tactics are all wrong for us to score goals. How will two strikers be better than what we have got.

 

He’s sorted the defence though. Carry on like this and we’ll change our name to Barnsley Nil.

 

We still need a different option up top but I agree with what your saying. The longer this season goes on and the longer we persist with this manager/tactics then more and more people will come to the same conclusion. It was plain to see last season in the majority of games, but because halme went up front for a 'jammy' goal and he was subbing players 20 minutes into a match he was lauded a tactical genius.

 

Strubers tactics are imo awful. He rarely gets the best out of players and in fact, again in my opinion, has made several players appear much worse than they are.

Luckiest manager that I can remember is having. Lucky that despite his terrible tactics and system of picking his mates we kept picking up results, largely due to odours excellent performances at the back and Chaplin having a patch where every touch went in the net, lucky that no established first team players suffered any real injuries and lucky that Wigan had 10 points deducted.

However despite that I wish him nothing but the best. He has been quite honest for many months now that he's wanted to leave us and hasn't tried denying that his agents have spoken to other clubs on his behalf so fair play to him for that.

 

It could well be the system (I'm not that studious to make a meaningful analysis), but from what I've seen we do create plenty of opportunities, we just seem to be going through a fairly lengthy bad patch atm.
Wouldn't be surprised if that changed overnight without any changes to the system. To my untrained eye we seem to get the ball into the final third quick enough, but then seem to chose the wrong option more often than not.
Shooting always seems to be a yard off, or the final pass a second too slow or the pass a foot behind where it needs to be. Not sure a different system would change that.

 

IMO he's got the best out of:
Walton (game time)
Anderson (transformed since a run in the team/keeping the faith)
Sollbaur
J. Williams
Oduor (when he actually plays)
Ludewig back end of last season)
The whole defensive structure
Simoes

However, the likes of Chaplin, Woodrow, Mowatt have gone missing in games and a lot of our last minute snatch and grab wins last season made for a nervy climax to the season.

 

Was Sollbauer rubbish before he came to us? Not sure you could say he got the best out, but full marks to getting the board to go for an older, wiser and more ezperienced defender. Think Devaney had more to do with Simões too, he didn't really play much under Struber.

 

Same with Ludwig. Was he crap when we were scouting him? Odd signing if so.

Odour is another one down to devaney. He was excellent from the first game when he played the first team, it's not like he was terrible and struber got the best out of him.

The only one he's got the best out of is Andersen and I think that's a lot more down to his general experience having grown and playing alongside an experienced player than it is down to some kind of tactical improvement.

 

I think Sollbaur has been consistently good/solid, and I think his relationship with Struber (having worked together before) and Struber's ability to get the best out of him is clear.

You may be right about Devaney/Simoes. I was thinking more in terms of Simoes' contribution since lockdown, though maybe Struber cant take full credit for that and Simoes in fact should have been given more game time, especially in games when he's sat on the bench and certain players have played.

 

You said that Struber rarely gets the best out of players, I'm not saying Struber has transformed the ones I listed, or that we scouted/signed crap players and Struber was some kind of maestro and made them play way above their abilities. I believe he gets the best out of Sollbaur and Ludewig and that was evident at the conclusion of last season.

 

But we've no idea how good Ludwig could be really. He could be an amazing player for all we know who's only at 50% of his ability now. I don't think he is but you never know. I'd also say 2 or 3 out of the squad counts as rarely.

 

The key thing there is the majority of them goals came when they didn’t play up front together. Nearly all Chaplin’s goals came from him playing alongside Brown & at least half of Woodrow’s seemed to be from a deep position with shots from outside the box.

It’s the old Michael Owen & Robbie Fowler thing at Liverpool. Both far better players than Heskey but both were far better alongside him than playing up top with each other.

Both of them need a workhorse to play off, someone to run in behind & to hold the ball up.

When I watch us everyone seems to want to run in to that no. 10 position. It needs players to make runs in behind where they probably won’t even get the ball but they’ll make room for team mates.

I don’t think any coach can suddenly make a player bigger & stronger & able to hold the ball up better but I do think we should be stretching teams & in particular Chaplin should be constantly making runs between centre backs & full backs to get us up the pitch. Brown was excellent at it.

 

It's a good point and I dont have the answer. I listed 6 players but that's just my opinion and what do I know? I only see what I see. I dont think Struber's tactics are terrible though, and I dont think he rarely gets the best out of players. Woodrow and Chaplin may be an exception. Struber's record is good, but I'm not championing him and our attacking threat, particularly at the moment, is questionable. I see it and I'm sure many do as, it's all well and good being an effective pressing team, but you need to make it count when you've got the ball, and that's where we're seriously struggling at the moment. We're in dire need of a shake up up top. It's really not enjoyable to watch is it?

 

Not really the point of your post but wasn't Fowler mainly partnered with collymore rather than Heskey? My memory is probably wrong on that though

 

It's awful to watch and to be honest so we're the amazing results post lockdown. Prior to us getting the goals in time added on people were going mental about how poor we were in those games.

I think it's for the best that struber leaves. For us and for him but if and when he does leave I definitely hope he wins things

 

He was in the 90’s. I was on about under Houllier when Fowler ended up going to Leeds as Houllier preferred Owen & Heskey to him & Owen.

I was watching premiership years a while back & never realised how good Collymore was. Also McManaman & Fowler were one hell of a double act. Seemed like 90% of Fowler’s goals came from McManaman assists.

 

exactly this.

 

We were very frustrating to watch and as I said earlier it was very nervy watching us go 90 minutes pressing, attacking, defending for our lives and grabbing a 90 minute winner.

I dont personally want Struber to go but I can understand if people do. I think with a centre forward and a playmaker it would transform us in the final third.

 

Always remember Collymore (besides the scandal) for his match winning goal against Newcastle. What a match that was!

 

Who is on about Fowler, Collymore,?
The question was our present strikers not getting goals
Stop hijacking the post
That is all in the past
Can you tell me why our main two strikers plus even the new ones , cannot get goals
Is it Strubers tactics ?