Paternity leave?

is it true that the government intend to give men the same amount of leave as a mother?

 

They do that here in Norway already.

They also give parents a lump sum of money if they don't use kindergardens. £6-7000 i think.

 

why not go the whole hog and pay both parents 30k a year each to stay at home and look after their little darlings, with free ps3's, xbox's, 50 inch plasma tv's free sky full subscription, free food, a 300,00k house too.............

nice to see this government has its priorities in order, FFS why cant they do like i and millions of others have done and work for a fooking living.

PAternity leave.......................PATHETIC leave for shirkers more bleeding like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

yeh I mean I fancy a few years off! I just need to get someone to spew a few bairns out

 

Yeah you can take 9 month UNPAID leave now ... it's great nt

 

eh? are you ok? Rather than seeing it as the father sharing the huge responsibility of early parenthood with the mother. Society in general would be better if the family unit was as strong as possible.

By the way Paternity leave isn't always paid, in fact in the majority of cases it's unpaid. So they're not getting something for nothing. But then, never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

 

yes that is how it should be

but the Government want to change it so that the laws on paternity and maternity mrror each other. So fathers could be getting a lot more paid leave.

The way I see it. If you cannot afford to have bairns don't have em!

 

and maybe the family would be stronger if both parents took responsibility.

And being able to afford isn't the point. They're aren't many peole who could afford to leave work to bring up a new born and live off savings or their partners wage.

 

ok, then only have kids if you are married if the government want strong family units, and as is said above, if you CANT afford it, dont have them.

 

being able to afford it isn't the point?

so you think people should have kids when they can't afford to pay for them? You think people should plan to do that?

You think that employers should pick up the bill for your decision to have children? Do you think this should be limitless? Men could keep having children continuously every 9 months.

 

Really?

 

yes. I am distinguishing between mothers and fathers.

 

conko....

men could father children every day of the week, just think if they did that, there would be no need to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so, in a way, JB has a point, lets do it and stay off work until we are 65, then just pick a nice pension up..............

 

I know that denno, but thats not important. I said 9 months because that is all we would need to do to continuously have paternity leave. We would not need to have one every day just every 9 months.

 

no, I didn't mean any of that. We were talking about paternity leave which at the moment is 2 weeks unpaid if your employer allows you. I'm saying about taking time off work in the early stages of parenthood to be able to be with your new born, not using parenthood as a job.

And I didn't say to have children if you can't afford them, I said that their aren't many families that can give up one wage totally for six or nine months and still be able to put a roof over your families head. There's a huge difference.

 

I agree with the present system too.

But not with the proposals to allow fathers the same leave as mothers.

If a couple cannot 'afford' one job between them, then they simply should not be having children. oo many people in this country do not get this, and it is one of the main reasons we have problems with modern society.

 

If being able to live off one household wage was the criteria to have children then society would not be better off, it would eventuality not exist. With the rising prices in recent months, let alone years, only the very wealthy would ever consider children.

Also I haven't seen the artical about the changes, but I would be very surprised if it says fathers are able to take six months off paid, when at the minute it's totally unpaid (unless your employer says otherwise).

 

well prepare to be surprised!

I do not accept that having one parent stay at home to lok after the children is not possible. People have becoem acusomed to living beyond their means that is true to say.

There are many many benefits to help families, I simply cannot agree that it is not possible.

 

Don't take this as a dig, but I can only assume that you do not have children. The benefits you talk about are there, but if you are an average earner then the benefits that apply to you are slim to none, tax credits are a joke by the way! It is mostly the average that get hammered in such cases, the wealthy can afford it, the lower paid or unemployed recieve the benefits you talk off.

It's those that want to work but can't afford time off to help at home in the early stages of children that it hits.

 

No I haven't got any children.

As a seperate point I do not think mothers should be working when they have got small children. Perhaps part time. But not to give up their job at all I believe to be morally wrong. But that is a seperate point.

As for benefits, people should not need to rely on them. They should be there to help but not to be relied on. Again if you cannot cope without benefits don't choose to have children.