Having listened to them, anyone else who has and doesn't feel the club is in the right hands are deluded and possicle started watching our team from 1997. I thought he came across as a very passionate and committed Barnsley fan, in a very intelligent and calculated manner. I for one believed every word, including the bit about his son; some will say I may be duped but how he left himself out there to be criticised and vilified must have been extremely difficult for him as a successful and private man. Remember this is Barnsley Football club and he was right, this is bigger, more important than most things for us that come from the town. Would you want the club to be owned/custodianed by a Cellino (L&@ds) or Tann at Cardiff...I certainly wouldn't! The club is in good safe hands and I am pleased that Mr Cryne is in charge, yes mistakes have been made and more I am sure will follow but who doesn't make em? I certainly do and that is the best way to learn! Thank you Mr Cryne, thank you for keeping our club in our hearts, mind and in our TARN!
When I was following the tweets the other night, I was shaking my head in disbelief, but having heard the full recording, it comes over in a totally different way and you can hear the undoubted passion in patricks statements combined with the annoyance about recent criticisms of his sons level of involvement. Ive no doubt you'd have a different view again if you could have seen the body language that went with those words. I would urge anyone who has read the tweets or listened to other folks interpretatons of the highlights, but has not listened to the recording, to give it ago. Its your opportunity to listen to patrick cryne speak more in one session than we've heard him speak in the last 13 combined and it might just give you a different slant on things. Ps this not a criticism of the tweets, its difficult to listen, interprate and type, all at the same time as someone is speaking.
Having read the tweets, it's all factual - we tweeted what he said. But as always, context & emotion are difficult in 140 characters.
I don't think anyone is questioning his love and passion for the club. In fact I don't think I have read as such. I'm as passionate but that doesn't mean I'd be any good at running the club and making the right decisions
Like I said dyson, it wasnt a criticism, the lad doing the tweeting did a cracking job to keep up and it is all factual, but Im just trying to explain to folks that if you dont listen to the tapes, you dont get the full picture. There are far too many folks on here happy to go off on one, based on half heard rumours and one eyed views, this is an opportunity for them to get a bit more detail, before jumping in with both feet.
We've also got to remember that it's the story of, in the main, one man. So we've also got to be careful to take everything at face value. No doubt, Flitcroft, Wilson & Rowing would have very different versions of events. The truth will be somewhere in the middle. I think Patrick came across very well, spoke beautifully at times and demonstrated a real passion for us. However, it seems over his time he's surrounded himself with relatively poor advice and a lack of football experience. Hope that's changing but we'll see.
Hearing was way way different to reading. Tweets don't do passion, subtle humour and intelligence. Great job tweeting mind and recording. Loved it and brought a little faith back.
You make mistakes like the stones deal when your board room is made up of an administrator and a bloke who is there for his experience of making mistakes in the past! Whether watkins and BB have brought more to the club, remains to be seen. Personally I still dont think the board is big enough
And the point stands that those mistakes were made 10 years into the Cryne era with men he appointed. Hope those mistakes never return & we're on to something but there is a level of responsibility at Mr Cryne's door.
He did a sterling job of communicating his love, passion and commitment to Barnsley FC, but I never doubted any of that. It's been obvious for years he cares deeply about the club. He also proved, yet again, that he's an excellent public speaker. I never doubted that either. Every time I've heard him he's always impressed me. One of the disappointments of his tenure at the club is that he hasn't spoken more often. He's so bloody good at it I would have liked to hear more of him. I believe he has the ability to engage others and ignite their passion in Barnsley FC by expressing his own. What I doubted, after witnessing the way the club has been run since his association with it and the decisions made, was his ability, and those he employs, to make a success of it. Nothing he said in that meeting changed my mind and, if anything, I'm even more concerned. Just because you care deeply for something does not mean you are the best person to oversee what is best for it. It doesn't mean you can't be, but neither does it mean you necessarily are. Actually, a great love and passion can affect your decision making and you can end up ruling with your heart instead of your head. Everyone who uses this BBS cares deeply for Barnsley FC, but no one would suggest that every single one of us would make an ideal candidate to run the club. I know for certain I wouldn't, while there are some on here I wouldn't trust with the remote for the TV never mind the football club. I put Patrick Cryne higher up the list of good candidates than many of us, but I still don't think he's right for it. Not that I can see a viable alternative. We're too deep in debt, have too many future liabilities, too small an income and the complete absence of any assets to be an attractive proposition for a business man, while I don't know of any other Barnsley supporter who is prepared to lose the amount of money (or even has it) that Mr Cryne is prepared to write off. If we want Barnsley FC to survive we have the ideal man in place. I do not believe Mr Cryne will let anything untoward happen to the club. If we want to prosper and become successful I've seen nothing in the last 11 years to suggest that is going to happen.
First up, Brianpotter did a fantastic job of summarising on the night. That was of great interest to those of us who weren't there. The full recording obviously contains more, including the context. PC, to my ears came across as a fairly sincere person. The most encouraging part of what he said for my money was to admit that mistakes have been made. That gives us hope that things will be done differently in future. I think too much has been made of the John Stones point. It sounds as though PC had not seen much of JS. I've not seen it referred to so far, but we all know that he was fighting some pretty major legal battles at this time and probably an even bigger one in regard to his health. Clearly he was reliant on those running the club to keep an eye on things and do what was best. It seems that Rowing and Flitcroft didn't get on. Did they have their own motives for dealing with the Stones situation as they did? With regard to Jay's point about whether PC is the right man to run the club, surely the issue is that he wants others to run it properly while he takes more of a backseat? He clearly felt uncomfortable about being asked to address the players. Quite right too, because as he said, someone else is paid to motivate them. All in all I think the evening offers encouragement that PC still wants what's best for the club, has ambition to return it to the Championship, and is still striving to get the right people and systems in place for it to operate on a more professional basis. Big well done to all concerned.
Jay you must be me in another body, because I was about to post something exactly the same!! In fact you almost always post my feelings on matters at Oakwell.
