People who haven't read the official reports in to Hillsborough

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  1. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

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    and are just repeating the lies told in the rags of the time can you please just shut the **** up and stop making complete ***** of yourself. Thank you.
     
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    Unfortunately Jay you are wasting your time

    I'd have thought an official report would have every reason to blame "football hooligans" and exonorate the Police, FA and ground - the fact that it did the exact opposite to me makes it much more believable than anything in a tabloid newspaper.

    It seems that some others dont want evidence to get in the way of a good scouse bashing. Its depressing but there you go
     
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    Yes he is....

    ....and so are you.</p>

    Unless you have some evidence that the police were at the back, crushing people against the gate.</p>

    Whatconstitutes &quot;blame&quot; or &quot;cause&quot; in this case is purely subjective.</p>

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    As you wish

    The point I was making is there are 2 entrenched sides I happen to be largely on the side of the Official report for the reasons given above. You have your view on what "caused" it - I disagree - nothing either of us will say on here will change the others view.

    I'd rather reflect today on the dead and their friends and relatives
     
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  5. bright red

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    Were you there *Windy?

    Have you ever been in a football crowd, or any crowd? If so then your stance on this just beggars belief. Mind you, just keep on repeating the same thing over and over again and maybe it becomes more legitimate. Your last sentence is just plain incorrect. Blame isn't subjective , it just differs depending on what prejudice you have.
     
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    Yes.

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    Walked into that one didn't you genius?</p>

    And &quot;blame&quot; very clearly is subjective. You just don't think very well.</p>
     
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  7. bright red

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    RE: Yes.

    Probably your most revealing post ever. I now know why you have been so "vocal" on this subject.
     
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    RE: Yes.

    dont fall into the well laid trap bright red.
    RIP the 96 dead.The " who evers " that were/are responsible,in whatever part they played on that day have to live with it for the rest of their lives.
    Our thoughts as barnsley FC fans, i feel, should be with the familes of the bereaved.
     
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  9. bright red

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    Thanks for that

    You are of course completely right. Apols and thoughts with the families and all affected.
     
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  10. Gue

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    If my son, daughter or loved one had been amongst the dead I think I would be looking for some notion of justice and the official report, primary evidence from those involved both ex police, ambulance staff and fans all now concur that the gate should never have been opened and that the police did try to cover it up (and have subsecantly come clean and apologised). In additon, the police did originally stop people climbing out of the pen and didn't allow anywhere near enough emergency vehciles in the ground. There was no clear leadership on the day, the chief officer had no experience of ground control and the force as a whole acted dispicably to the families trying to find their loved ones. It seems to me anyone trying to blame hooligans or drunken yobs is just re-iterating the bile printed in the right wing tabloids ...the same papers who tryed to fit up scargill, the miners or anyother group they are afraid of - (refrencing earlier threads on that subject.) I think it was indicative of how the establishment viewed football fans, as rough, volatile mobs of working class trouble makers who needed "controlling" and not "looking after".
     
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