Prison Attack

How daft have we got as a country when we have an incident like the one this weekend at the prison in Durham?....a prisoner in a so called separation centre which houses the most dangerous offenders has access to “hot cooking oil” and also the ability to make “dangerous weapons”, this then leads to 3 prison officers being seriously injured, I suppose some doo gooder is going to tell me it’s all about rehabilitation!....prisons need to be tough and prison officers need protection. Who would want their job?, we have gone too soft in this country by far.

 

Obviously make sure dangerous prisoners are properly secured, but for the vast majority of inmates prisons should focus on rehabilitation.

 

Obviously we differ on this subject and each to their opinions mate, but mine would be making it where offenders don’t ever want to go in prison because it’s a horrible place to go and let that be the first point of of rehabilitation

 

Sling him in a isolation cell for the next 50 years

 

For some yes others no.
This was the brother of an Ismalist bomber. I’m sure I did hear this on the radio.
We need to get tougher. I say this because my son is a prison officer.
I worry.

 

Totally agree, death penalty will never be an option so that’s the next best scenario

 

I used to know a prison officer and pressures of his job led to this lad eventually committing suicide, I don’t think you could ever protect prison officers enough mate. Too many folk think it’s the inmates protection that’s most important.

 

Yes, the brother of the Manchester bomber. Scum. Utter, utter scum. Why he had access to cooking oil and other materials is beyond me. I'm all rehabilitation for majority of inmates, but terrorists, murderers, rapists and kiddy fiddlers who will spend all their life in jail anyway should be nowhere near such equipment.

 

Concrete boots and a dip in the north sea would be the best form of punishment for him.

 

And what about when they come out of prison completely unequipped to rejoin society?

 

Terrorist like the bloke who did this, murderers and those who hurt children shouldn't be released. Too soft in this country. Your not going to rehabilite everyone and some should never be released for punishment reasons and the publics safety.

 

Yeah, as I said in my first post - some people need to be kept securely but for the vast majority of prisoners there should be a focus on rehabilitation.

 

Not sure if you are bit naive mate, I have known right uns and wrong uns all my life, there’s not been many wrong uns that have changed their ways during their lifetimes whether they have been through rehab or not. Like I said the best form of rehab is to make offenders not want to offend in the first place. Anyway going watch Masters golf now, have a good evening pal and we will just have to agree to have a difference of opinion

 

I'm not being naive at all. There's literally objective evidence that focusing on rehabilitation leads to lower rates of offending. Maybe read about Norway's system rather than just saying I'm naive based on absolutely nothing but your gut feeling and hunches.

 

Unfortunately we'd need a fair society for that to happen.

 

In 2024 in England 1 3rd of the prison population had a serious drug addiction so to rehabilite those would be very hard when the root cause of offending is drugs mostly. Then you have the others who like mentioned who don't deserve to see the light of day again. So it's not as easy as let's rehabilite everyone like Norway. Plus the person we are talking about rehabilitation isn't even a option.

 

Many countries have tried that, and failed. Next.

 

I think people get cross when they see people do stuff that's not very nice. Its understandable to get cross. However I do agree with your basic point about rehabilitation into society. Its always difficult discussing stuff like this though because people as I said get cross. Emotions for a lot of people I think...

 

What about if you offer effective drug rehabilitation coupled with courses to help people find jobs when they get out?

 

If I heard correctly, this prisoner is on a life term with a minimum 55 years to serve. You would think that would have condemned him to a miserable existence. To a rational person, it might seem that the only way to make this miserable existence as tolerable as possible would be to co-operate with the prison officers and keep your head down. It appears that this person is so psychopathic that he couldn't settle for that. Hopefully he is prosecuted for this latest outrage and his minimum term is converted to a whole life sentence. Rehabilitation appears out of the question. I don't support the death penalty, but I can understand the argument for individuals like this. But we don't need - as an enlightened nation state - to descend to his level.