problems we had last night

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  1. joc

    jock New Member

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    their front 2 were first to everything, especially when they dropped short to get the long balls. Was rarely a red shirt in sight. Also, both Denis and Lewin easily lost their individual battles with Him wi' a reight shiner and Campell.

    I think Howard also had his worst game for us last night
     
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    agreed theer jock

    i don't think howard is anywhere near as good as he was last season

    for the 1st time this season i can't say that anyone had a good game.

    Defence struggled. Were caught out all night

    Midfield non-existant. Howard and McCann couldn't get into the game and kept giving silly passes away

    Forwards no service and when they did Odejayi was as strong as a wet bog roll

    People mite slate me for this but once again i think JCR was the best player for me. Probably the only 1 that put any pressure on the Hull players
     
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    jock New Member

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    agree

    JCR was our best player - true, little end product but at least he kept running at them. most of our corners were cos of him running at delaney
     
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    La Dent de Crolles Well-Known Member

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    There-in lies the problem,

    JCR ran at them all night and didnt go past his man once.</p>

    I thought he was supposed to be quick.</p>
     
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    Looking at it from last night we were awful.
    But in the cold light of day I feel most of our problems were due to the ball not sticking up front. Neither of the two forwards held the ball up thus putting us back under pressure.
    I thought Hull had a gameplan of not giving our midfield any time on the ball by harassing Anderson and Howard constantly. Which is why we gave away too many sloppy passes.
    Very good players can handle that sort of attention and still make the pass, just goes to show Howard maybe isnt as good as we think he is??
    McCann Was dreadful and surely Davey can see he's not a winger? One paced and cant beat a defender.
    The two centre halves had their hands full all night and really struggled with the power of Wind-ass and the pace and movement of Campbell (Why couldnt we have got him on loan?)

    Hopefully this performance wont show the rest of the division how to play us and beat us.
    We beat Brizzle 3-0 and look how they have reacted! 2nd place in the table. Lets hope the Reds react in the same way?

    Dean
     
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    spot on mate agree with everything you say there.
     
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    I said the same to my Dad last night, nothing was sticking up front. Often it seemed as though (probably due to a lack of confidence) that the forwards often didn't seem to want the ball, running towards goal, rather than coming short to try and link the play. My Dad put it down to laziness, but I think it was largely a case of most of the players not wanting the ball, characterised by a real lack of talking and encouraging each other. Heads seemed to drop immediately after the first goal really.</p>

    Just meant all in all there was no pattern to the play, nobody linked up, we barely strung any passes together. Likw Davey said, that isn't us, we know we can do better. I just hope the character that was seen in the squad before, re-appears. Starting on Saturday!</p>
     
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    I thought and said much the same after the match on Saturday, Burnley worked hard to stop us playing and consequently got us to play the way they wanted

    if the front two are toothless, more pressure on the midfield to deliver, stop the midfield playing exposes other frailties (like in defence). Its almost like fielding a team of eleven in a 4 4 2 formation but without the 2

    will this performance show the rest of the division how to play against us? we are considered to be over achievers and were expected to be one of the division's whipping boys. Results have shown that that is not the case but teams will now have a game plan, it worked for Burnley, Hull last night and Leicester didnt even need to send a scout to the game as it was on the box in all its glory

    the question is, how will we respond to this style of play - and thats what worries me
     
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    No plan B?
    I guess plan B is lump it up the the forwards and hope they can win their personal battle, which failed badly last night. We have so many forwards but in my opinion we dont have anybody who can hold the ball up consistantly.
    Stan can do it 50% of the time when he's not fouling their centre half and I thought we missed him last night!
    But the rest?
    When your team is under the cosh holding onto the ball so the midfield can get up in support is the best way of releiving the pressure.
    Mostto had no help or service last night so we cant blame him, plus it's not really his game. He was a big gamble which I think has backfired. I hope he proved me wrong but the poor guy looked totally lost and out of his depth. I really dont think he's up for the physical battle. He would be better suited to the continental game rather than Hull on a cold late October night.

    Dean
     
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    yes, and I think that Mostto is a goal machine waiting to get into gear (not based on anything other than hope and glimpses)

    so if plan A gets the ball through midfield to the strikers that are mis-firing, plan B is route one to the strikers (one of which is a chimney sweep and the other gets knocked around too easily), we need plan C - and there doesnt look to be a plan C
     
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    what about.....................

    passing it to feet? I remember the pre season against Bury-who doesn't!-and Kayode showed a blistering turn of pace when the ball was passed slightly in front of him -let's have a game where we don't pass the ball above waist height?
     
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    thats a variation of plan A (version 1.1) when the strikers are not mis-firing and I'd pay to watch that
     
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    RE: There-in lies the problem,

    JCR provided loads of end product. Not only did he get the ball in quite a few times, even a couple of early crosses in the early minutes, but once again won us our corners. Add that to his massive workrate and solid defensive work and I just don't understand why people aren't happy with what he is doing for the team. He has had a solid start to his Barnsley career. It is testimony to his importance in the team that he does all of what I have mentioned (corners, crosses etc) and also does manage to frustrate the crowd by getting it wrong on more than a few occasions. It shows how much he is involved, and if he was producing the goods every time he was on the ball he would be playing in the PL.

    Just my opinion like.
     

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