Horrendously flawed analysis! ''wealthy people who back Capital Punishment back Brexit -- poor folk (not poor PEOPLE!) who oppose CP support remain.'' you'll be concluding next that if you voted 'Leave' you must be wealthy or if you voted 'remain' you must be poor. (p.s. - Guess you'll get exactly the same result if you change 'Capital Punishment' for gay marriage or fox hunting)
Horrendously flawed analysis? No, its just a correlation. Nothing at all wrong with the statistics. You are correct in saying there could well be other correlations with fox hunting and gay marriage. You cannot argue with the data. But you can argue about if it has any meaning, or if the relationships are causal or chance.
A different perspective rather than just keep telling people off for voting 'leave' http://www.xxymagazine.com/im-ashamed-i-voted-remain-june-23rd-2016/18945
Interesting read thanks for posting. But I am not sure I buy its analysis, although I certainly do agree that I am being made to feel part of an out of touch elite since the referendum. But unlike what is claimed in there, I definitely saw it coming. What I am starting to be unsure about is the assertion that the out vote was carried by poor working class people that had nothing to lose by voting for change. And that the political classes and the out of touch elite don’t understand these people. Why am I starting to doubt this? Firstly the above analysis published on the BBC shows that income is a poor correlator for the way people voted. Secondly, I have spent a lot of time trying to understand the views of the Brexit voters by reading lots of their pages on Facebook and then looking at their profiles. OK I totally appreciate that Facebook is a biased sample. But out of Europe voters on FB don’t appear to be people suffering too much from recession and austerity. And these people can be found on FB. I am starting to think that the Brexitiers are simply trying to justify their own position by saying we are the voice of the poor oppressed. In reality poverty was not an indication of how people voted. Regressive thinking was.
''Interesting read thanks for posting. But I am not sure I buy its analysis, although I certainly do agree that I am being made to feel part of an out of touch elite since the referendum.'' I think I suggested that in the discussion about farming some time ago . Someone on I assume is on 40k plus , suggesting that farmers on 7k should just do something else if they don't like it , is out of touch with the poor bloody infantry . Farmers don't just up sticks and get a superior job at another campus..their land and lives and children's lives are intertwined , it almost appears like a statement of pure calculation that does not consider social implications . '' But What I am starting to be unsure about is the assertion that the out vote was carried by poor working class people that had nothing to lose by voting for change. And that the political classes and the out of touch elite don’t understand these people. Why am I starting to doubt this? Firstly the above analysis published on the BBC shows that income is a poor correlator for the way people voted ''. That is exactly the point of being out of touch...relying on a BBC analysis to form an opinion..The village next door to ours voted 80% (if I remember rightly ) to leave ..this is a village that has virtually no migration at all ..but is amongst the poorest , in not only my borough but most in the UK. I'm sure people voted out for many reasons , but to suggest , as many have on the remain side , that these people are uneducated and do not understand the issues , and therefore must have made a mistake , is condescending to a fault. I am not suggesting you are a vile person , or anything like , just for being out of touch (if it comes across that way I sincerely apologise . Although we disagree I'm sure your motives are decent and honourable) I fully admit to being out of touch myself in the past , despite considering myself as a beacon of social justice , until I got involved in local Govt. and a Foodbank , I really had no real idea of the issues faced by people at a much sharper end of life than me ...It's been an incredibly humbling experience , but what I can say , having regrettably wasted a good education myself , is that a huge amount of these people have the capacity and intelligence to fill the places of Universities the nation over , had life dealt them a different hand . '' Secondly, I have spent a lot of time trying to understand the views of the Brexit voters by reading lots of their pages on Facebook and then looking at their profiles. OK I totally appreciate that Facebook is a biased sample. But out of Europe voters on FB don’t appear to be people suffering too much from recession and austerity. And these people can be found on FB. '' I would suggest FB is the worst indicator of any reasoned thought..whatever the issue . '' I am starting to think that the Brexitiers are simply trying to justify their own position by saying we are the voice of the poor oppressed. In reality poverty was not an indication of how people voted. Regressive thinking was.[/QUOTE] Poverty may have been a factor for some, regressive thinking for others I agree , but to dismiss the opinions of the working class heartlands in such simple terms is a mistake which the EU will now have to address.
Poverty may have been a factor for some, regressive thinking for others I agree , but to dismiss the opinions of the working class heartlands in such simple terms is a mistake which the EU will now have to address.[/QUOTE] Some interesting points here and a few things worth further discussion. My comments about farmers... were purely provocative to get across the points that: 1. there are very few of them, so we over worry about them. 2. Very few of them are poor, the numbers are fiddled for political reasons (just like the profitability of coal mines) In fact some of the richest people in the UK are farmers and they have been collecting subsidies approaching a million pounds a year. 3. The point of the original comment - why would a farmer vote for Brexit and cutting EU subsidies. Angela Loathsome, has already told farmers that they should be farming butterflies and not sheep and that subsidies will not be maintained in the long term. Which is exactly the point I was making. Am I an out of the touch elite, of course I am. To address that is why I spend time discussing the issue with anyone prepared to engage in discussion. But the data on the BBC was not BBC data it was from an independent survey with no axe to grind and it found no correlation between income and likelihood to vote out. Sure there are some poor working class people who voted out. But there are plenty who did not. Similarly many middle class people voted out and many did not. Even if every working class voter in the UK voted out, that's still not the 17 million. Explaining the whole Brexit thing is a lot more complex that its typically described, as it the way out of this mess. Which is close to what you are saying. I totally agree with you that society is failing lots of people and that there are lots of people with the ability to thrive at university who are not getting the opportunity. Not sure these problems are at all related to the EU. I totally understand that if you are trapped in low income existences, you would vote for change. But still think this was a misguided choice that is going to make things worse rather than better.
