ProZone's take on the loan system..

And after reading that article, further down are links to a few others that were quite interesting, and rather informative. Nay wonder Hillcroft endorse it..
http://www.prozonesports.com/news-article-analysis-the-loan-player-system.html

 

Let me get this straight, you think its a good thing because Hill says so, but last year it was bad because it was Robins that did it? Is that correct? I am sure you have been saying that we should not be relying on loans, not just you but plenty of others too. Now Hill wants some loans its a good idea !!!!

 

We've got 3 loans in Mark.

Drinkwater
Ranger (can play in 3 positions)
Gai assulin can play in 3 or 4 positions. Very good Footballer. Got the Barcelona chip which just takes the keeper out of it. Can pass the ball will work brilliant with Butterfield and drinkwater. Can take the ball under pressure and can use both feet.

Don't count Addison because it's clear he's not going to play.

 

Addison
Park
Drinkwater
Ranger
Assulin

5 players in on loan and it's only November. That's quite a reliance on loan players in my opinion.

 

That has got absolute bugger all to do with my post mate and I am not sure as to why a question to Whitey gets a response from you about something that you have not answered anyway !!!
Strange. but thanks for the reply.

Just as an aside why have we still got Addison if it is clear he is not going to play?
The other 2, I would not have Ranger at the club and I know nothing much about Assulin.

 

How's a reliance on loans.

Who would you drop ST.
Assulin could play with butterfield but he could also play instead of butterfield around Xmas area.
We could now play assulin against Blackpool and rest butterfield for leeds and doncaster which will be massive for us.
Drinkwater could play in of the games and could be rested for the doncaster away game and we could play Doyle or perkins.
I personally think RNL should be offered to Rotherham or Chesterfield on loan aswell.

We saw park once maybe twice when we had NO players fit sat in stand. I would put Doyle on bench Addison too. I really like doyle.

 

A manager feeling that he needs to bring in 5 players on loan by November is relying on loan players.

Having to bring loan players in to get you through christmas is relying on loan players.

Playing a loan player so that your poor tired little captain can have a rest is relying on loan players.

Having to play Park because you have NO fit players sat in the stand is relying on bloody loan players. Christ on a bike how can you not see that?

 

Bodies Mark. I'm not sure if the club would be paying much for him. He can cover that cb position and that's a position we still could do with 1 extra player there imo.

 

So you mean that we need a loan player who can play CB to provide cover right? So you'd agree that we're relying on that loan player?

 

I think that the difference this time round is,that we are not starting all these loans, they're mainly here just as backup

 

He's not played there. I would like it yes but if the club had Zilch then i wouldn't because hassell CAN play there.

 

For the record can i point out that Cameron Park is no longer at Bfc and Addisons loan ends on 31st December.

Can football manager 2012 tell me how he "knows" so much about Gai Assulin?

 

Sky sports news!!!

 

Is the Barcelona chip ever in need of the Real Madrid fish? and where exactly is the xmas area? Near Santa's sack?

 

I don't agree that 5 players on loan by November suggests we have a reliance on loan players. Firstly, Park came to play games but kept being ill which made him unable to play. Keith said he wanted to get the best out of him, but due to that he couldn't. Secondly, the loan players have generally been back up players to our first team.

I would agree that we were reliant on loan players if we'd be buggered without them. Currently, I don't think we would - and at other points in the season so far I think we could have coped. Last season, and in other seasons I genuinely don't think we could have coped.

 

Very interesting article, it does state positives and negatives, but for me it fails to get at the heart of the matter.

Loans are needed because the richer clubs are allowed to hoover up the young talent, have massive and expensive squads and then lend them to other less fortunate clubs to get experience. They provide only short term good for the club they are loaned to, those clubs cannot get out of the loan system as they have less saleable assets or a full squad of their own to get them into the top 5 themselves. It's like heroin, feels good for a short while, but then the hit goes and you need more, so you're back to the pusher big clubs.

Smaller clubs like ourselves think it's great that we can get bright young things from big clubs, but it's just a symptom of the **** state football is in, we are happy to accept the little morsels dangled from the top table.

 

Parks gone back to Boro.

 

Interesting read that Whitey. Let's hope these new loanees have a positive effect as suggested in that.

 

You misunderstood my post Marko..
I was referring to ProZone.
I said I found their articles interesting and informative and could see why Hillcroft endorsed it.
With regards the loan system, my opinion remains unchanged. It is a positive tool when used appropriately.
I grew to dislike it under both Davey and Robins, as we saw a myriad of journeymen come in and go straight into the team at the expense of our own talent. The majority of such loans were not cheap either.
Of course, there are a few successes too. But its a strategy I didnt like, and a similar approach to what Donny are doing now but on a grander scale.
But as I say, I am all for the loan system when used the right way.
The loans of Turnbull, Shotton, Nyatanga, Mannone, Trippier, Chopra, Wood and Mellis, I can see the logic in those kind of players coming. Obviously, they dont always come off. But they are cheap in comparison, and worthy gambles.
But any loan should always be supplementary, or to cover injury. I dont agree with making loanees key players.
Danny Drinkwater had to play, and then made himself undroppable. Im fine with that. As I would be if Gai or Nile did the same thing and made themselves starters..
And finally, I dont understand the moaning about loans. You and SuperTyke seem to think that the club are going back on their word. They arent.
I refer you back to the club statement that promised "it does not mean an end to loan signings, but it does mean that they take a lower priority within our squad structure."
And that is being borne out already.
ZERO loan players against Donny on saturday... amen

 

I fully agree with this comment, and I have been saying the loan system should be scrapped for a long time.

If clubs weren't allowed to loan players out then they wouldn't be hoovering up all the talent before they get chance to properly develop.

1. They wouldn't want a load of unproven kids on their books taking up wages.
2. The young players wouldn't want to disappear into obscurity by never playing 1st team football.

If the loan system was scrapped the lower leagues would be full of exciting talent.