Question for the Davey supporters.

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Seriously. It looks to me like the more money he spends the lower his PPG gets.How long are we supposed to wait for themiraculous metamorphosis that's going to see a halt to his decline and would you risk relegation for managerial&quot;stability.&quot;</p>

 

"miraculous metamorphosis" ?

are you saying you havent seen ANYTHING positive from Davey AT ALL? Not one decent signing or tactical change or substitution or anything? The fundamental problem is expectations, fed by comments in pre season, and ingrained in peoples minds that dont have the ability to move past Glavin and Wilson. Footballs changed, we're punching above our weight, but your average Barnsley fan cant get that into their head.

 

Agree with Harrow, we don't have the structure in place to make these decisions. Cryne is a business man and must understand the impacts League 1 football will have next season on finances. It doesn't just end at relegation, policing costs are expected to increase next season, lose out on the new TV money, players on large salaries, even fewer fans.

 

Hmm, I think it's dependant on a few things.</p>

If we go down, but somehow manage to re-sign all the players who will be out of contract, then we'd walk League 1, and if giving Davey more time will be on benefit in the long term, then I'd sacrifice relegation. However, as I think is more likely, if we do go down, we will lose most/all the quality players we have and will go back to the dark days of League 1, and have to start all over again.
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That said, the second half against Donny has given me renewed confidence, and I don't think, unless that was a one off, that we'll go down</p>

 

Great point S.M. but if i could add to that low crowds for a championship side because there are too many Leeds and Sheff Wed/Utd supporters living in the town and surrounding areas.

 

if there is a change it will not be instantaneous-rather a gradual improvement-now we have a virtually full squad available for selection I hope this is the case
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However your second point is the crunch one-supposing we are still in the bottom 3 by say 18 games into the season-I choose 18 as it is as many as Andy Ritchie was given (albeit in his one and only season at this level) </p>

IF and it's a BIG BIG IF -a change of manager could GUARANTEE survival then of course most would opt for the change-the problem is that Simon Davey actually did what many more experienced managers maybe wouldn't have done-kept us up-admittedly by the skin of his teeth</p>

It is a major decision that someone , presumably Patrick Cryne , has to make-relegation to League 1 would have financial consequences-almost certainly average crowds around the 7500 mark </p>

IMHO Davey is still learning-there are arguments to say he should have started with a club lower down but that didn't happen-he has made some good and some bad signings-which manager doesn't? and should be given the time to show that he can ultimately take the club forwards
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i'm a davey supporter

he's done a great job for us. Yes he can be frustrating at times but he's still learning. We wont go down this year, it wont even be close.

 

We haven't seen anything like enough ability.

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And, as I've said elsewhere, it's a certainty that he'll occasionally throw a six. But, as he blows more money,he's getting worse, look at the records, there's something in black and white.</p>

 

RE: "miraculous metamorphosis" ?

We're not punching above our weight Steve, thats just rubbish. We're about slap bang where our "weight" should be.

We've been in this division or higher for 22 of the last 25 years. We've beeen in this division more than any other club in the country. To say our level should be League One is nonsense, and I thought it was also one of the reasons we gave for sacking a previous manager, because that was his view.

 

Davey will come good

His record (in a nutshell) is this;

1st season.........took over a sinking ship, had to bring in some emergency signings and got us away from relegation

2nd season..........got rid of nearly a full squad of players and then brings some fantastic players to the club. We go to the top six in the league.......we get some key injuries, we go to Wembley in the semi final of the FA Cup, with injuries and focus in the team shifting to the cup and we sink to just above relegation.

3rd season. ............again brings some quality players to the club and this again is done on a shoe string. We have some difficult matches at the begining of the season. Most of the matches we play well in but lose by the odd goal. BUT THE WORK RATE IS STILL THERE. However, our strikers are not working as a unit. Our confidence steadily seeps away in front of goal. Our leading goalscorer and captain at this point decides to jump ship. We go to 3rd from bottom.


Based on the evidence I've seen over the last 3 seasons my conclusion is this...........give this guy (Davey) some funds to bring in two proper strikers e.g. in the Phillips mold, and we will finish in the top 10 or maybe the top 6. The rest of the team is excellent and far far better than anything we have seen at the WELL in years.
Therefore I have every confidence in Davey.
In saying this I do think he should have sorted the Howard debacle out in the close season and not let it drag on into the start of the season. The same applies to PC on this score.

My real concern at the club is two fold. Firstly, the financil clout of the directors, for example their inability to solve the striker problem. I dont think the directors have enough money to prime the pump.
And secondly the inability of anyone at the club to attract players to the club, that is to say I would like to see a cheif executive at the club, and this person should have some association with the club and be a 'name' in football.

 

Young Nudger

All you have said is probably correct.

But, if i did my job as bad as Davey i would unemployed by now. The fact is that instead of going forward and bettering ourselves we have become worse. Excuses can always be found but when it comes down to it, he aint got what it takes.

 

sorry TM but I don't agree

the league we are in is not the same as the one we were relegated from in 2002. That league had so called smaller clubs in it 'Roverum, port vale, grimsby, stockport, crewe, millwall, walsall, all teams that I thought we should be higher than in the football stakes... now , well maybe Blackpool and Donnie.

 

How long are people prepared to give him? How many poor performances and inet tactics are we going to have to take before its too late. As someone said earlier he every now and then throws a six the rest of the time we are ****. End of October still bottom 3 then what??

 

RE: Davey will come good

Young Nudger that was a very thoughtful positive post.

 

Thing is Dave

People on here are always bringing up the fact that we have one of the smallest average attendances in the division. While that is true, we also have a very wealthy benefactor who has contributed considerably in our acquisition of playing staff. You've got to take this into account. Our spending over the last couple of seasons is equal to and above many other clubs in the Championship. We are on a level playing field with most of them. When you take the club's history into account and factor in how much we're currently spending then the Championship is very much our level.

 

RE: Davey will come good

Define "on a shoe string" Young Nudger please?

He's wasted over £750,000 on Mossto, Odejayi, Mattis, Christensen

Brought some other players in for a lot of money such as Hume (our first £1m player of the 21st century), we will never know how much Anderson cost but I suspect it will be at the very least £500,000

Then there's the wages - Kozluk, Macken, Moore, Hume, Anderson, Steele will all be on very good money

I would say a manager doing well on a shoe string is Simon Grayson not Simon Davey

 

Key word there is ......................'worse'

So this begs the question...........worse than what

Are we 'worse' than the team and more importantly the squad that came up into this division under Andy Ritchie

If anybody says we ARE, then that person does not know football.................end of...........full stop

 

He has spent in excess of £2million on strikers nudger,hardly a shoestring nt