Racist Language - for the mods.

On this site is it o.k to use racist language in posts which condemn racist language?

Look at message 24 in the thread 'Racist abuse all over ......'

Last week someone 'resurrected' YN and quoted some of his posts and included racist terminology.

The skin colour of England's penalty takers hadn't crossed my mind -- the publicity given to their skin colour must gladden the hearts of the racists ??

 

I get what you're saying and not sure in the example you provided that it was necessary to air the exact words that people have used. Saying that, your OP implied other posters were using racist language themselves and from what I've seen they haven't, nor have they condoned what they have quoted.

 

As far as I can see posters don't use racist language but sometimes as in the thread I mentioned they QUOTE racist language to prove their point. The question I was asking of the mods is - 'Is it o.k. for them to do that?'

The publicity given to the racist comments about the penalty takers will be just what the racist want - are we in fact doing more harm than good when we give 'oxygen' to the 'mesages' in racist posts even if we find them abhorrent ?

A complex issue.

 

Yes like I said, it was how you worded it as 'use' rather than 'quote'.

And I agree DB has just shared a video of a group of blokes beating the **** out of loads of people, including focusing on an Asian lad. It doesn't need to be on here. Talk about it by all means and criticise it, we don't have to see it though.

 

For me it's always going to be better to call it out and condemn it than ignore it.

 

It's a good point and a fair one. Thankfully, I can't understand what a racist is trying to achieve by saying what they do. It could be they want the attention, or they want to inflict pain but not want the attention. Or something else.

But I can comment from my perspective. Although its really ugly, and sometimes hardly believable that such things are going on in this century, I still think it's important that it is visible so good people can be aware its going on and authorities can be judged on their action or inaction.

Whether the whole thing is visible in the way it is can be debated as to where the line should be drawn... but I'd rather know there is vile racism going on and how and where.

 

I agree, it shouldn't be swept under the carpet. Sharing videos on here of people having the **** kicked out of them, however, is a step too far. Comment on what you've seen by all means, you don't need to post it though.

 

While I agree with you in the main, and it depends on the extent of the footage too, but the actual sight of someone getting kicked or hit is something pretty shocking to see and does bring home what some of our society are subjected to. I fear the words don't carry the weight of what actually happens and there are some middle grounders who can try and downplay such things. Whereas footage (though i do think it was too much) can't be glossed over or denied.

 

If 'calling it out' stops a behaviour that's good.
If 'calling it out' worsens things then there's a problem. It had never crossed my mind that a players skin colour affected his ability to score penalties. Some mindless idiots have posted on the media that skin colour is relevant.
The press/media/and posters on this site have condemned this saying skin colour is irrelevant. But in doing that they have (not deliberately) repeated the nonsense about skin colour. -
There will be those who might actually believe that the colour of a players skin influences a players ability.

At the same time as we condemn a racist message we can can by default be promoting that racist message.

 

I agree education is needed, that starts by not sugar coating our history in schools.
The supposed adults in society have been fed a diet of half truths, that's if they didn't wag GCSE history.
I'm all for education and dialogue but these racists just need outing and prosecuting.
It's everyone's responsibility to do this, whether in work or in private settings, including at our home and away games. These morons are now emboldened and though last nights result was disappointing, it's been like Christmas morning for some.

 

I don't agree with this at all.

 

No I don’t. Context is everything.

 

It is a complex issue. I largely avoid these posts now. I have realised that posting stuff is not going to change anything. It's just one voice in the void vs another.

I do still read the threads & like some posts though.

 

Similar situation.

The Tory M P was wrong to link Rashfords penalty miss because he had been involved in politics.

The media jumped on this and her message widely condemned.
In condemning her the media has given a lot of publicity to her abhorrent views.
So a lot of people read about Rashford and politics as a result of media coverage.
Some might actually think he did spend too much time in politics and not enough on football.
So the media whilst condemning her views have actually given her views a lot of publicity and some people will agree with her. In condemning her they have promoted her views.

In condemning the link made between skin colour and the ability to take penalties the media has given a lot of publicity to this crazy view. Some people will believe that skin colour plays a part in footballing ability.

 

What's the alternative? Ignore the MP story and give her a complete pass, and not bring it to the public's attention that she's a nasty piece of work?

Calling this stuff out isn't going to turn anyone racist. Much the opposite - it makes it clear to the young and impressionable that it isn't acceptable.

Let's say you have 2 kids, you go shopping with them and you notice that one has pocketed something and is about to walk out of the shop with it. Do you stop him, or do you just let him walk out with it because you're worried that bollocking him will somehow turn your other kid into a thief?

 

Totally agree, old mate.

 

The lads last night didn't miss the penalties because of their race colour religion level of education sexuality or because of what they had for lunch. They failed to score because their manager made their task harder than it needed to be, Rashford and Sancho weren't given enough time on the pitch and Sako was placed under far too much pressure for a kid of his age when Southgate had by his own admission other options.

 

When you 'call someone out' for racist behaviour you will inevitably give publicity to their racist message. That's not a good thing.

 

Utter rubbish in my opinion.

 

When you call someone out for ANYTHING you will inevitably give publicity to their behaviour s presumably we should just turn a blind eye to everything.
See a young lass being sexually harassed in the street? Option 1. Call them out but that will give publicity to their catcalls which isn't a good thing. Or option 2. Walk away and leave them to it.

I know which option I choose