Read This and Enviage the Possible Comparison with Barnsley

Have a look at this column article by Martin Samuel in today's Mail, about Watford, their Italian owners and the model they have in place now, and consider how easy it is to picture the exact same model at Barnsley.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...hats-wrong-modern-football-Martin-Samuel.html

I find it all very depressing......if we went the same route I think I would have to consider carefully whether I was interested any more.

 

Don't worry, as most of us on here are already fearful of that kind of scenario. We'd soon see the attendances drop at Oakwell if that were to happen and it just wouldn't be sustainable. Then what?

If only the 'talks' can drag on a bit, because I have a feeling that we are going to go from strength to strength on the pitch and hopefully with that the crowds may return. We may then be able to attract a more modest (and more local) bidder. We don't need a major rehaul on the pitch. A bit more money to retain the better players and recruit whoever Hill sees as the missing pieces is all we need. We can get that if the crowds start coming back. The main thing we need now is stability and to let the people already at the club to do their jobs.

 

I, personally don't want this takeover - but if Mr Cryne does want it, then it will happen. There is nothing to say that if such a takeover occurs then it will lead to a similar situation as the plight which Watord are enduring. However, should it lead to a similar state of affairs, then make no mistake, English foootball will have received it's final pound of sterling from me, at any level.

It's all hypothetical at the moment, but I will state my case now. If BFC become become part of a feeder club system then my money will be spent elsewhere on a Saturday.

I simply adore the progress that this club and HillCroft are making at the moment. I don't want any form of investment that isn't offered with the best interests of the club and the town at heart.

 

We are in the attractive position that we have no debt, the reasons PC wants to sell are completely different to Watford. Meaning we could hold out for the right investment, Don had said all along they (he & PC) do not want to be the ones who sell the club to the wrong people and Barnsley ends up with no football club!

 

That's a very simplistic view in my opinion.

 

Worrying when you read about how it is going at an other club under Italian ownership.

 

Very worrying

Not the right way to run a football club. Just as bad as what Donny did last season.

 

Re: Very worrying

This takeover might be a great thing, but to go in blind and accept that loadsamoney is brilliant is wrong.

Barnsley need investment, Pat Cryne has done a great job nut he wants to get out (for his health it might be the best thing too) and so someone will need to step forward at some point. We cannot build a squad if the Vultures come picking it off every time the transfer window opens.

However, it must be done right, it must be done to strengthen Hills hand, to allow him to secure the talent at the club and allow him to continue his ethos.

It must not be done so that BFC become part of someone-elses idea of a get rich quick scheme or ego extension.

The soul of BFC must be preserved, it is a club within a community and its place there must be preserved.

I would rather watch Hill and his struggles than Watford/Doncaster and theirs.

 

Well spotted, It is exactly what could happen to Barnsley. Foreign manager, foreign players, cannot pronounce any of their names, a right **** up. Then when they have fleeced us they f,,k of back to their Camels or Lolitas. Barnsley needs to identify with the Barnsley community. Okay we are not rich but we in Yorkshire have always survived, we f,,,,,cking well have to. We need investment from local businessmen, for if we are attractive to foreigners then there must be some profit in Barnsley somewhere down the line.
So let's tell the Barnsley board that foreign is No Go we are not accepting Made in China.

 

The more I read about take overs, the more I think about what could happen to us, the less I want one.

 

Big massive NO to a takeover for me. Im very, very happy with things as they are now.

 

I think the loan rule is for Domestic loans only Farnham - Can have as many as you want from foreign teams.

 

Ye all living back in 1980's.....things av changed, football as changed!......not for the better either...but this takeover is a good thing! In my eyes...who says we're guna be like Watford?....don't think we will be....not all foreign ownerships are bad.......hope it happens be good to see a packed crowd and a atmosphere a oakwell!...rather than some old fart sharting sit darn a cnt see!.....it's boring and lifeless on a saturday afternoon down there!...it's embarrassing........let's see a change

 

One thing from that article

One time 9 million quid Savio Magala Nsereko now struggling to get a game in Romania? Keith!

 

Re: One thing from that article

It looks like the Italian investors find us attractive for having no debt. So why do people think if they take over they will put us in debt?

 

Where do you sit, at their end on your own.

 

Directed at millsy

 

Afternoon, I was just on here having a browse before Saturday and saw that a lot of you seemed to be pretty interested in our takeover one way or another, just thought you might like to know a bit about it. Or not. If not, feel free to call me a bellend or whatever, I know this is a bit lengthy considering its not your club but you might find it of interest given our clubs are usually very similar in finances, crowds and that.

Firstly, Martin Samuel's article was a huge load of **** which prompted this http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread...cle-in-the-Mail/page4&highlight=martin+samuel and http://www.fromtherookeryend.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/pozzos-watford-case-for-prosecution.html - and that was when half of us were still somewhat reserved on the takeover.

I think the main thing is that we were absolutely ****ed after the antics of the previous owner (see http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sp...ated__Watford_claim_Bassini_owes_club___1_5m/ and http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sp....Bassini_and_Watford_charged_with_misconduct/ just from this week). Having been extremely poor but going in the right direction before that financially, cutting our cloth according to our income by flogging everybody and just playing kids and selling our academy prospects for lots of dosh. In comes Bassini last summer, we rake in over £6m in various fees and kicked out our high earners yet ended with our operating losses increasing by £2.74m! New signings came in paid for by him simply piling it onto our debt, investing nothing and walking off with club money. When our board forced Bassini to hand the club to the Pozzos (he initially refused) Graham Taylor was asked whether the new owners would be an improvement - he said that 'any owner would be an improvement on the last one'...

Had we not been taken over we would have been liquidated over the summer.

There is also a lot of misunderstanding about our relationship to the players that have come in. Every single player we have 'loaned' in (with the exception of Chalobah from Chelsea) are actually season-long transfers and have a fee agreed at the end of the season should we want them, and in the case of the Udinese and Granada loanees if we cannot afford them at the end of the season they will loan them to us again next season. If we don't want them they go back. These are not players who are going to disappear or be recalled and they aren't in the shop window, almost all of them actively asked to come here and we are going to sign Abdi, Forestieri, Pudil and Vydra in January. Zola said at the fans' forum that Forestieri has been knocking down the door for a permanent deal recently. All of those who can't speak English are having lessons and most of their families are now over here with them. Udinese signed Cassetti specifically to loan to us as he wanted to join but we couldn't afford his wages.

Basically, we have the best situation ever. Quality players of real pedigree are joining, we are in the hands of a real football family - not oil-rich Arabs or Russians - who brought Udinese from the bottom of Serie B to the Champions League while making a £100m+ profit in the process and recently brought Granada successive promotions from the Spanish third tier to the first division and last season they even stayed up. They are here for the long haul, they have a track record and haven't thrown money at us, they have simply moved their existing assets to be in our possession and give us an edge while reducing our wage bill. They turn profits from both their other football clubs by scouting young talent from around the world and then selling them at the height of their value. Their aim and the aim of the players who have come in is promotion to the £££ League, but not at the cost of financial integrity.

Nobody was happy to see Dyche sacked, but he is a good manager and is now in a better position than had he stayed with us and this takeover not happened. Zola is a great manager and things really couldn't be rosier for us. Last season was awful, we had nothing and were going nowhere and just like for the last 4 years all of our best players and academy talent was flogged to the lowest bidder to pay the bills. Now we can give them five year deals instead of two year deals. Tommie Hoban made his first start this season under Zola and has played every game despite competition from new signings, and we still have four or five academy products in the squad which is more than many clubs. Our academy is exactly the same as before, they haven't reduced its funding in the slightest and while the new regime has higher standards their emphasis on youth is just as strong as before.

We did things 'the right way' for years. All it translates to is 'bring through youth who you are forced to sell for pittance to pay for constant wage inflation brought about by the Premiership hoovering up all the talent and then flogging them back to us when they are 21 for a profit.'

So yeah. Don't believe everything you read, because the media know nothing about our situation currently or previously as we don't play in Sky Blue and don't compete in the Champions League. Its all conjecture and assumptions. In reality, this takeover has been fantastic in pretty much every single aspect.

In other news, I predict a big fat 0-1 loss on Saturday as you lot seem to usually have our number in one way or another and we have been on a good run, which tend to end unceremoniously.

 

Hope it's a good game Saturday mate. Good luck for the rest of the season, but I hope your form dips at the weekend.