Sack Davey?

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Its not too long ago that Forest sacked their manager and brought in the guy who many of you wanted to bring to Oakwell.</p>

Doesn't look like sacking the manager has done Forest much good does it?
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They would be down by now though if they did'nt make a change.

 

and...

Forest didn't do badly against the league leaders today - 1-0 is no shame (and I doubt it was points that they were banking on). Their season has improved since they got rid of Colin Caulderwood.

Compare that to quotes on the BBC website from Simon Davey:

Barnsley boss Simon Davey:
"Ordinarily a point at Derby would be something for a big celebration, but on this occasion, it has to go down as a disappointment.

"That's up there with our best performances. We dominated the first 45 minutes and we were better than them in the second half.

"It's frustrating to create chances and only end up with one point."

ORDINARILY A POINT A DERBY WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR A BIG CELEBRATION.

Not acceptable. Not credible. Not even a 'celebration', BUT A BIG CELEBRATION. A chuffing point at Derby is a cause for a big celebration. I hope he got quoted wrongly. FFS.

 

Read the posts on here. Everyone was saying they'd be well happy with a point.

 

good point manlito, we may not like him but when it matters he usually delivers

 

Happy or content is v different to a 'big celebration' in my opinion.

 

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Some on here don't like him. Not every one. </p>

There are some of us who appreciate what he has done for us on some of the lowest attendances and one of the lowest wage bills in the Champioship.</p>

He has made some mistakes but name a manager who hasn't. </p>

We are only a couple of players short of being a play off challenging side and with Davey at the helm and Cryne stedying the ship I'm sure that in the next few years we will be.
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I would get rid of him tomorrow nt

 

Why?

 

ye why

 

We have a decent side - as we have seen today - but the manager is flawed and in the hands of a capable experienced man I think we'd start to have some comfortable seasons, and maybe start to consider the playoffs. With Davey in charge we'll continue with these relegation fights until we eventually get relegated.

 

Could you explain the flawed bit please?

 

I dont think he will ever take us any further than he has so far.

You can say whatever you want about him , I would like him to go.
He has had more backing than any manager and has consistantly failed to deliver, we have lost more matches than we have won and looked pretty dire in the vast majority of matches since he took over. He has produced some good results and some matches have been a joy to watch, but these have ben greatly in the minority.

He has been here for 2 1/2 seasons and we are still in a relegation battle.

 

I think he is good in the transfer market, and has done exceptionally well to bring a number of very good players into the club on a fairly tight budget (when compared to managers at any number of clubs in this division) BUT i think some of the formations and tactics he has tried to play during the course of this season have been over thought and too complicated, he doesn't make the best use of the players natural assets (JCR at sweeper?) and he's not good at adjusting his plan A during a game if it isn't working (or making best use of his substitutes). He also hasn't got the first idea of what to get his players to do in the final third - it's all very hit and miss up front (usually miss). We don't readily create chances, we never have under Davey, and that's not the forwards fault, it's our style of play. I'm convinced a different manager could get the current set of players to create more chances and score more goals. We also struggle to get back into the game when we go a goal down - the Palace game and the Rover game aside - in most cases, when we concede a goal, you know we're screwed. It all adds up to where we find ourselves in the league.

Our defence is not bad at all - we're just not good at creating and converting chances. Davey is always going to struggle with this.

 

Me too

or at least in the close season.

I don't think a manager should ever be sacked in anger, but I don't see where we'll go to with Davey at the helm apart from fighting relegation year after year.

I hope I turn out to be wrong but if you take away the negative emotion that comes after a defeat and look at the longer term trend, there's nothing objective to make you think that we'll gradually get better and better. IMHO Davey has never rectified the following problems:

1. Absolutely no consistency, apart from consistently losing.

2. Can't score goals. He signs the players and chooses the tactics and blame must ultimately lie with him. Charlton have scored more than us FFS. Granted the inury to Hume was out of nowhere, but how did long did he persist with Odejayi for? Weeks and weeks and weeks. I think he was the last person at Oakwell to realise that Kayode was purest sh*te. Our attacking play is incredibly poor. Even Charlton have scored more goals than us.

3. Doesn't seem to get the best from his players and seemingly a poor man-manager.

4. Not got the tactical nous to change a game when it is needed. Happily he proved me wrong against Palace, but generally when we go behind we have no plan B. Can't remember the last time he made a substitution that changed a game for the better.

I'm not one who yells DAVEY OUT! every time we concede because I don't think managers should be sacked in the heat of the moment but looking at him over the longer term all we've done is play generally poor football, been abysmal going forward and spent nearly 3 years flirting with relegation. We go ages without picking up points and then string a couple of results together just to keep our heads above water.

I know it was only pre-season but our friendly performances were w@nk and continued into the first 10 games of the season should have been a warning sign. Perhaps Davey will come good, but unless he creates a team that can attack more effectively and score 15-20 goals a season more than we are doing I don't see where he's taking us.

I think we'll stay up but once again only because of other teams being even more sh*te than us. Anyone who wants yet another season of this wants their head examined.

 

I wonder what some of you wont. Firstly he didn't get what he wonted in the summer because he was a striker and a defender off. Also Simon Davey as always said that once he got his first team on the pitch (apart from one or two) that the results could pick up. He as had to do with out colace/anderson/jcr/anderson/muller/hume/leon for around 10 matches per player and foster for about 5 this season. I know some have been out for more than 10 game this season and i dont know man teams who could have coped with that. Before some of you say every team had injuries they do but not that many for that amount of time. Just look at today and what would happen if derby had commons and hulse out for most of the season. They would probably be in the relegation spots. You could see they missed commons today and they have a squad that's just come out of the prem.

 

your opinion and you are welcome to it, but dont forget that is all it is.

 

Mark..

You an others say he's failed to deliver!

what did you expect him to deliver!!


Premiership!!

Pray do tell mate..

 

RE: Mark..

If we were mid table I would understand you making that post. We're in a relegation dog fight for the third year running, and I think we shouldn't be. Maybe my expectations are unreasonable - but it's just my opinion.

 

But

we are still in the championship..

and will be next season!!

Personally as good as it was i wish we never went up to the premier because NOW peeps think we have a god given right to be up there or at least challenging every season for a place.. some folk need to get real..