Sandra bland

What's happened there then?

 

Something certainly doesnt seem right, speculation as to whether it could be murder which is a distinct possibility. Either way its a massive miscarriage of justice.

 

It's ridiculous really, she got arrested for an incorrect signal when changing lanes and then got dragged out of her car and had her head slammed down.

Also, in the mugshot of her she is clearly already dead. It's a strange story.

 

The mugshot on Facebook is photoshopped. In the generally released one there isn't anything to suggest she's dead is there?

One trend I have noticed with all these controversial police killings in America is that by and large they have all started with the victim refusing to follow simple and reasonable police instructions. That in no way justifies their deaths but it does begin to explain how things have gotten out of control.

 

Maybe all Americans should bow to every police officer like they are some kind of god. I've seen the video, I've also seen the editing that has taken place where the same car drives passed about 4 times in 15 seconds when there is some audio of the police officer trying to explain the arrest, which he failed to do to Miss Bland.

America is a ****** up nation, I'm just glad I don't live there and have African American ancestry.

 

There's two mugshots. One with her eyes open which looks like it's not taken whilst she's standing up, and another where someone has photoshopped her eyes closed whilst claiming it's genuine. It's not.

There was no reason for her to get out of her car. Harassment by a public official is not legal. Blind obedience to authority is a police state. Crooked *******s.

 

I found in the U.S. That they want you out of the car because of the possibility you'd have a gun.

 

But they can only do so if they have reasonable doubt you have or if you have committed a crime, in this case neither. They had no right to ask her to step out of the car, put her cigarette out and none whatsoever to then man handle her out of the vehicle and assault her.

He said originally that it was for resisting arrest, but he didnt arrest her as she hadnt committed a crime or been told so, then he changed his story to agressive behaviour to a police officer. To be fair she did have a bit of an attitude but I'm not black and I dont get stopped on an ongoing basis. Additionally I'd be a bit pissed off if I was being tailgated by someone, then in a bit of a panic moving out of the way to be then pulled over and subjected to the tirade from the officer.

The telling point of the case is also the officer in question has been put on desk duty until after the invesigation which is now being done by the FBI.

 

I dont know about every state but in Maryland you have to remain in your vehicle.UNLESS you are told otherwise by the officer.
Also if your documents are in glove box you have to tell officer and ask permission.

I dont know all the details of the Bland incident but wasnt she suspected of DUI and ignored the officers instruction. But the heavy handedness of the officers is crazy.

 

Isn't it common practice to ask somebody to step out of their vehicle when they are stopped? And in the eyes open mugshot does she really look like she is laid down? I've seen people say her hair is back but I just don't see it myself

 

She was pulled over for changing lanes without indicating. She said in the video of the stop that she was upset because he'd driven up behind her so she presumed he wanted to get past. She moved lanes and then he pulled her over. Sounds like he was filling his stop quota. In the video she was calm, polite but a little put out. He asked what was wrong so she told him. He then asked her to put out her cigarette in her own car, she said no, so he then told her to get out of the car.

Just another sorry little male on a power trip.

 

That's pretty much how I see it too. Massively heavy handed policing.

 

It's the same in Texas. You have to stay in your vehicle unless the police officer asks you to step out which they are legally entitled to do.

Sandra bland has a string of previous driving offences. Speeding 3 or 4 times, driving under the influence, driving without insurance, driving with an expired licence, driving while suspended, failing to use correct lanes. Her beng stopped to be perfectly honest was nothing out of the ordinary, a car in front of a police officer failing to signal and having a string of traffic offences against the driver already. Of course she was going to get stopped.

At the point the police officer asked her to get out of the car I firmly believe that he did nothing wrong and it was her who was fully at fault for the situation she found herself in. As to what happened after, well that is a different story altogether and one where I don't believe the full story will ever be known

 

He was going to give her a ticket, no intention of asking her to get out of the car. He then instigated the conversation about why she seemed agitated. She simply answered his question, in a perfectly calm manner too. No doubt he was aware of her previous, no doubt in my mind he was looking for a reaction and an argument.

Ego massaged, woman dead.

 

Well I've watched the video again and he certainly isn't up her arse or anything when she moves without signalling. He's actually a fair way back down the road and the police officer is polite with her when he stops her. He goes back to his car and when he returns he says she looks agitated which to be fair she probably did as she was on weed at the time and she (unless she was thick) knew that the officer had just discovered she had a string of previous traffic offences and drug offences. That to be honest would make me a bit nervous. He asked her why she was agitated which is a reasonable question to someone you have just discovered this information about, its certainly a question I've seen on British police shows like road wars many times. Her response was a little off, accusing the police of coming up behind her which he hadn't really had he. He asked her to stop smoking in a really polite manner, he can't force her to stop but there is nothing wrong with a polite request is there? She got sarcastic saying "I’m in MY car, why do I have to put out MY cigarette?" Stressing the words my each time. The policeman probably thought '**** this, how about we get you out of YOUR car then' and asked her to get out. He is perfectly entitled to do that and she started getting arsey at which point it all kicked off.

At the end of the day what happened for the first part of the stop was all perfectly normal. A serial traffic law violator under the influence of drugs was stopped for yet another breach of traffic law and she got arsey giving it the 'I know my rights' speech. After that nobody knows what actually happened but what is clear is that yet again had the victim not been an arse, breaking the law and disobeying reasonable instructions then they would be alive. That is no excuse for what police may or may not have done after but why the hell would anyone give them the opportunity when following reasonable instructions is so easy?

 

He knew she was under the influence of drugs but chose not to apprehend her for that reason? Much better to do it for some airy fairy traffic violation.

 

No he didn't know she was DUI but he most likely knew she had a history of it if he checked when he went back to his car. I'm not sure why it is considered 'airy fairy' either, she switched lanes without signalling, that's a ticket in America isnt it?

 

It may well be but it's not the most heinous of crimes is it. Airy fairy is about right.

 

No it's not the most heinous of crimes but they're quite strict on their traffic laws over there aren't they? Forgetting to pick up your driving licence when you rusb out to the shop for some eggs to make your Yorkshire puddings is hardly murder but it will get you a ticket in America. That's just the way they are with driving violations. That's probably why Sandra black had a record of DUI, speeding, driving without her licence, driving while disqualified, driving without insurance and more to add to her recent stop of failing to signal. You may think it's airy fairy but like it or not it is the law and she wasn't being victimised by being stopped, she was stopped because she, broke yet another traffic law.

 

I can't disagree with you tbf.

But we've gone from a routine road traffic ticket being issued to a woman dieing. There's something seriously wrong with their processes if that's the result regardless of attitude of the perpetrator.