Serious question for those who opposed military action to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

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Do you now feel vindicated?</p>

 

vindicated?

well we should never have gone in, not without a proper UN mandate - and of course it's all gone rather pear shaped. suppose that's what happens when you let business decide foregn policy.

and the nazi hierarchy were tried for waging an aggressive war - invading sovereign states and that. isn't that what we and the US did?

 

RE: vindicated?

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I just mean, in the balance of things, do you feel it's been proved that we shouldn't have intervened?</p>

I'm noticing a lot of this but I can't see how people can quantify the other outcome. I'm not saying we were right, I'm just saying we can't possibly know. We're trying to compare an actual outcome with an unknown one.</p>

 

RE: vindicated?

well for the amount of cash blown on afghanistan and iraq by the US, (1.5 trillion dollars?) and how much have we spent, (no idea) just think what could have been done with all that money. could have dropped food, medicine and harry potter books all over the both countries, but oh no, lets pander to halliburton and the likes and bomb them back to the stone age. that'll stop people wanting to join the resistance movements (sorry insurgents!!) and things snowball.

Joseph heller said something like (and i'm paraphrasing)..'There's always enough money for war, it's peace that's too expensive

 

I think the only way to measure it, would be based on the evidence given whether to support the war or not at the time of the decision.

I have to say I naively bought the weapons of mass destruction bit and supported it on that basis, there was always a question over whether attentions were turned to Iraq, because of the failure to capture/kill Bin Laden though. And I feel lied to. However, I will never feel guilty about that, but those who lied should.

Having said that I support our troops in whatever they are being sent to do, because rightly or wrongly the job they are doing is on our behalf and once they've signed up, the choice is not theirs to make.

However, there is no doubt whatsoever that Suddam Hussien was a lovely person.

 

The only measure I can make on that is if it can be thought that we would be "safer" if we hadn't gone into Iraq and Afganistan. I don't think we would have been. Being there gives the Islamicists an enemy to focus on away from our shores. It also gives the West a fair base to attack Saudi and Iran if oil supplies get even more threatened. It's vital to our way of life that we have the upper hand militarily in the region.

 

i can't agree with the 'safer' arguement for going in or not - imagine if we'd thought like that over Poland in 1939. (different circumstances, i know but still)

as for having bases ready to strike against saudi arabia and iran if supplies get threatened, again, isn't that what the nazis and for that japan did? war for resourses. just think how much progess could have been made on replacing oil based products with all the money spent on these 'illegal' wars.

 

Saudi? Personally think that Iran will be the next one.

 

It was a matter of WMD

Hans Blix said there were none found and unlikely to be any. David Kelly paid with his life. Ethical government, I think not. Blair and Bush have a lot of blood on their hands.

 

RE: "It also gives the West a fair base to attack Saudi "

I know Iran might be favourite in many folks eyes but my money's on military strikes on Saudi training camps. After the Yanks were kicked out in 2003 don't think the sheiks will hold on for too much longer (I'm thinking long-term here, not in the next few months).

 

RE: vindicated?

You are Donald Rumsfeld and I claim my &pound;5.</p>

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq5mQLArjmo</p>

 

To be fair...

I would rather him be ousted, than sit there and do nothing.

No one can actually measure or know what he may have or may not have done, but in all honesty I wouldn't have been a person prepared to try and find out what he may or may not have done.

The fact that he shoved his face in everyone elses and forced everyone into looking at a picture of him at every turn deserves him to have a rocket shoved up his arse and fired.

 

Now we are commited it begs the question ????

Do we support America when they bomb Irans nuclear installations or do we wait while Iran have a bomb and nuclear rockets within striking distance of us.

 

I know what you mean

like what would this board be like if you hadn't been born an arse?

 

the yanks should have slotted him the first time!

Not pissed about and then start an illegal war dragging us along for the ride. (N)