All your life, right from first being able to understand language, you're taught that sharing is a good thing. Maybe the best thing. Yer mam and dad encourage you to share your toys and sweets, firstly with your family, particularly your siblings, then, as you make friends, with them too. Teachers at school do the same. It helps teach you about the feelings of others not just yourself, stops you being mean and selfish, and when someone shares something with you, it makes you feel good. Even in adulthood. Generous people who share tend to be popular, not because they give you free stuff, but because that generosity tends to extend to their personality too. Mean people don't tend to have too many friends. Share stuff on the internet and the courts will rule that a company can apply for your details in order to prosecute you. http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...uling-isp-must-hand-over-names-of-downloaders Summat is seriously ****** up. Can other companies follow the same precedent? If you buy a pack of Munchies and offer one to your mate can Nestle take you to court for damaging their profits arguing that your mate might have bought his own pack had you not shared yours? Can Ford take you to court for offering someone a lift meaning they didn't have to buy their own car? I don't download films from the internet. I do, however, use soulseek now and again to download music I've read reviews of but not yet heard. If I like the stuff, I buy it. I'm far more likely to spend money on a band when I've heard a lot of their stuff than I am if I haven't. I've also downloaded a lot of stuff I already own on vinyl as I don't have a turntable connected to my computer. When downloading stuff from soulseek I make my MP3 collection available for others because, as previously stated, I've been taught since I was a nip that life is about give and take. You share. File sharing may be illegal, it may damage profits, but to equate sharing to stealing is the most ****** up notion our species has ever come up with.
It's not quite the same, you buy a finite amount of Munchies and so Nestlé knows no matter what you do either you or your mate will need more at some point. What would piss them off is if you bought some Munchies, took them home, put them in your Munchie Multiplication Machine, made millions of free copies then stood outside GT News handing them out.
Sorry Jay but you're not comparing like for like. File sharing, as you say, is ilegal and while downloading films / music from these sites isn't stealing directly it is still using something you haven't paid for.
I've had the same number of packs of Munchies in the last year as the number of times I've seen The Dallas Buyers Club: one. Well, half as far as the Munchies go. My wife bought a pack on Setdi when we were driving home from the Lakes and shared them with me (probably why I used them as an example as it was the last chocolate I had). Haven't had them for years, wouldn't have bought them myself, but enjoyed them, so might buy some more. I would never have thought to buy some in the future had someone not shared their pack with me. Similarly, I enjoyed Dallas Buyer's Club. I got it on Blu-Ray as part of my LoveFilm subscription, but it wouldn't have made any difference if I'd seen it from a copy downloaded from tinternet, it would have still sparked an interest for me in those that made the film. Because of that I went to see Wild at the pictures, Jean-Marc Vallée's next film. Not as good as it goes but still alright. If folk share stuff with you, you're far more likely to buy products from that company in the future if you like what was shared, be that chocolate, music or films. Dallas Buyers Club had a budget of 5 million dollars. It grossed $55 million worldwide at the box office. How much profit do they want?
You don't pay for any of the other products people share with you. That's what sharing is, giving away for free, be that a film or a biscuit.
The entertainment industry is different to the sale and purchase of consumable products. It protects all manner of artists. From the multimillion pound blockbusters to the small art house films that rely on sales for existence. You want something, you buy it.
You aren't sharing YOUR copy of a film though. Rather than saying you buy some munchies and share them out it would be more accurate to say you buy one packet of munchies and then steal a load more from the shop and give them away. Then you talk about profits so now its nothing to do with sharing and it's all about being robin hood and stealing from the rich to give to the poor.
I don't share any films. I do share music. The music I've bought. It's in a separate folder to the music I've downloaded.
I can see where you're coming from. Say you buy a film on DVD and invite your friends round to watch it. Is that illegal? What's the different between inviting them round to watch it with you and sending them a copy over the Internet to watch at their leisure? In both cases your friends are now much less likely to buy said DVD so is that stealing from the film industry? I dont think you can make comparisons to consumables, just because they're finite in nature. In giving them away, you'll have to buy more if you want to replace those lost.
Not at all. But a consumable product you own. You don't own the film. All you own is the right to watch it. It's a very interesting discussion point and there's been a lot of well written papers on the ownership of film/music and data.
But you haven't bought the music. You've bought a physical disk or whatever. Is it that which you are sharing? Taking it round to your friends for them to listen to?
Id love to see a pre loss estimate from the solicitor's. ... A fiver. Most of it appears to be hollow Threats.
When I was 15 a friend taped me Psychocandy and Darklands by The Jesus and Mary Chain. Not sure if it was from an original copy or another tape. It changed my life. When I was a nip I liked Queen, but I'd grown out of them by the time I was 15. I wasn't that interested in chart pop, I knew the songs from the radio, but didn't like them enough to buy them. I barely bought any music at all. After receiving that tape I bought tons. And I changed the way I dressed, the clothes I wore, the people I hung out with, the pubs I would go to and I started going to see live music. I've got all JAMC's albums on vinyl and all their singles. I bought them again on CD later. And again on the expanded reissue CDs a couple of years ago. I must have seen them live at least 20 times during the late 80s and early 90s. No idea how much I've spent on them over the years, but I do know in the last 6 months I've spent over £60 on tickets to see their shows in Manchester and Leeds as they've reformed and played a Psychocandy tour. It wasn't just The Jesus and Mary Chain though, it was also The Wedding Present and Cud and The Smiths and The House of Love and The Pixies and My Bloody Valentine and any other band with indie haircuts who made a row with a guitar. Plus past acts like The Velvet Underground and The Stooges, punk bands like The Clash and The Sex Pistols. Some stuff I taped, but mostly I bought 12" slabs of shiny black vinyl. All because a mate of mine shared his music. When I left Uni in 97 I lost touch with what was happening with new music. Oasis, Blur and all that Britpop scene had, for the most part, left me cold, not a patch, imho, on the indie bands that had preceded them. Didn't have much money either, finding a job, moving house, paying bills and student debt, then coping with illness and surgery. I barely bought any music or went to a gig for about 6 or 7 years. Then, when browsing the internet, I came across a site called indie-MP3. When it first started all it did was post up MP3s and a short review of C86/indipop bands of the 1980s, some from bands I'd heard of, but most from much smaller bands that I hadn't. I downloaded the songs and preferred the majority of them to all the stuff I owned. I started buying stuff from back in the 80s from small bands on tiny lables. Indie-MP3 then morphed into a review site, championing small bands producing the same kind of music now as the those bands back in the 80s. They gave away free MP3s of these new bands. I also downloaded stuff from file sharing sites. More internet sites sprung up, more free MP3s were offered, but little record lables sprung up too. A scene began to grow, and there's now an annual festival in Derbyshire that attracts thousands of us indiepop geeks every year. There are also gigs all over the place, sometimes in tiny places smaller than your front room. I've bought more music and been to more gigs in these last six or seven years than I did when I was a in my late teens and early 20s. I can hardly get in my room any more for bloody records. All because people decided to share music on the internet. I know it started out about film, but I believe the same applies to music.
I tend to buy music on vinyl which also includes MP3s. I've bought those MP3s and it's those I share when I use soulseek. Occasionally I'll just buy MP3s when no physical copy is available. I don't use soulseek often, just when I've read about a band I haven't heard of and I want to listen to what they've produced, but can find little elsewhere. When I log on to soulseek the MP3s I've bought are available to download by other soulseek users. It's a file sharing system, not a file taking system. Those that don't share tend to get blocked by other users.
That seems to be the crux of the issue - file sharing involves sharing something that either doesn't belong to you in the first place or shares something that contravenes the copyright agreement. Where music is concerned I use Spotify these days, I pay for access and listen to songs, most of which I own on vinyl or CD but also music I may like that I may purchase after listening. I never own these records and I can't share them which is where it differs to file sharing sites.
What makes me laugh though are the record companies having a go at file sharers for ripping off the artists, without then going on to say that's their role!
maybe thats BFC's problem - everyone likes playing us cos we like to share the points out. We are too nice.
