Shot 5 times

Incredibly tragic incident which I'm not going to comment about until I know all the facts.

Just to clear things up on the multiple shooting though. The normal technique with a 'shoot to kill policy' is 2 shots to the chest. In the case of suicide bombers or that kind of threat, completely different bullets are used. Low velocity or something to minimise injury to members of the public close by, from ricochets etc. 1 or 2 shots of these bullets might not even fracture the skull depending on the range and they don't ricochet. I really don't know what's considered excessive in these circumstances, but multiple shots are definitely required if it was these kind of bullets.

Very sad situation, non the less.

 

A tragic incident..

and no doubts it's no where near over for the families or the policemen that were after him.</p>

In the present climate I can understand why it happened. You need to ask why the chap did not stop when asked. It was bound to worsen his situation and in the present climate &quot;ordinary&quot; people with nowt to hide should be co-operating all they can with the authorities.</p>

The only people that will get anything out of this will be lawyers...</p>

 

RE: A tragic incident..

Seems to me the problem lies in the intelligence that led police to follow the bloke, not how the police dealth with it.

 

RE: A tragic incident..

According to one paper today, the flats where the Brazilian lived were watched only because the would be bombers had carried false ID's in their rucksacks. The terrorists seem one step ahead every time.

 

RE: Totally agree

The mail are bunch of facsists anyway.

Can you imagine what the reaction would be if, in a similar situation there is a suicide bomber and the police don't kill before he detonates his bomb and kills 50 again? They'd be uproar!

I really feel for the guys family but you have to admit he was pretty stupid to run off. He knew what the situation in London was like, he's lived there for 3 years and spoke good English so he only has himself to blame in my opinion.

 

I can sort of understand why the police did what they did, but why didn't they stop him earlier? Why did they have to wait until the bloke got to the tube? According to the first news reports the guy left a house that was under surveillance, now it seems it was just the same street! They followed him on a bus too, so why didn't they think he'd blow that up? Did they really believe he was a terrorist all the time? If they did wouldn't they have stopped him right outside his house?
To me it sounds like they panicked when he went near the tube, and as a result an innocent man died.

An eyewitness said he was wearing a bomb belt with wires coming out of it. Well, he was an electrician apparently... so that was probably his tool belt then? I certainly wouldn't want to be a non-white in London right now!

The police did the right thing when they admitted that they had killed an innocent person (in the USA they would have made up some crap about him being a terrorist or something), but I get the feeling that they're still not telling us everything.

 

No, I can't understand why they allowed him to go on the bus either.

 

come on

How do you know that? I don't, you don't and certainly the police aren't going to say how close they are.
With four mugshots doing the rounds, i don't think they'll stay on the loose for long.

It would also seem tha the chaps visa had run out, so he probably thought they were from the immigration department and caused him to run. The police seeing him run, assumed he must have some connection to the bombings and therefor acted accordingly.

 

RE: come on

I don't know that, just commenting on what was in the paper yesterday. Truth is, none of us know the exact set of circumstances that led to the shooting. It's my own opinion, that the police acted correctly. The intelligence gathering though, needs to be considerably more accurate.

 

he ran

because he was illegally staying in the country. Been on all the news all morning mate.

 

RE: he ran

or because he was being chased by 5 plain clothed blokes with guns who allegedly didn't shout "police"

not condeming the rozzers btw

 

well

I think he thought they were immigration officers, they do forcibly send people home, and ran to try and get away.

 

RE: well

Who knows? We're never going to.

 

RE: he ran

Yes, I know. What bothers me, is the cops (who I'm not condeming), allowed him to board a bus before taking action, and with a shoot to kill policy, would they really have shouted STOP police? Surely by shouting POLICE, they would give the suspect time to detonate the bomb.

 

there was more than one officer

If they shouted police while they could see his hands were nowhere near his pockets then of course they would have time to shoot him before he detonated a bomb.

Imagine you are a bomber for a minute. You have a bomb in your pocket or wherever but at the moment your arms are just normally by your side. You hear a voice from behind shout stop police. Right, you try to make a move for your bomb and bang you're dead. Why are you dead so quick? Because while you were facing forwards there were five guns pointed at your head BEFORE they even let you know they were their by shouting police.

It takes a lot longer to put your hand in your pocket and detonate a bomb than it does to pull the trigger on an already lined up gun.

 

RE: there was more than one officer

You really think it is that clinical, when things are happening at that speed with hundreds of commuters panicking around you.

I'm not saying the cops did a bad job, they can't win, and the poor guy that pulled the trigger could now be tried - but reading the papers today, it seems the intelligence was way off the mark. They have to tighten up.

 

i am sure that the original call of stop police

will have been done when they knew they could get a shot in before he could put his hands in his pockets and detonate a bomb.

 

I feel for the police.

For me, this was waiting to happen. The terrorists have won yet again, and will continue to win, there isnt a way to deal with them. Their to blame not the police. They've destroyed many innocent lifes and this is just another innocent life been taken due to them.

My jobs to fit windows. Whats yours? Them Police officers are out there to try protect us, maybe they should have done this, that and the other! Its easy to sit here and judge there decisions. They've got an impossable task.

 

Totally agree. We make a mistake - it means nothing. They make a mistake, and their lives could be over. Bloody terrorists - just how cowardly are they?