what system exactly do people suggest so that no fan is disgruntled-my guess( Jay ) is that there isn't a system invented that would leave everyone happy when demand so far outstrips supply
that was my feeling precisely however.... when I suggested this in the box office while purchasing Coventry tickets(more fool me:'( ) it seemed to be the feeling that that leads to lots of people who want to sit and hold hands together during the match coming into the box office wanting to swap seats-don't see that as a reason myself
One per season ticket holder. I can't get up to Oakwell much so would never have been able to get a ticket for Liverpool. Don't much want one either, truth be told; if I was going to a match I'd rather go to Oakwell. But for Barnsley to have more Liverpool tickets than season ticket holders, but FEWER Liverpool tickets than 2(season ticket holders) makes it unbelievable that they'd have the guts to leave some of the people who have supported the club all season out in the cold. And then, of course, there's the debacle of the Colchester announcement. That was unforgivable; they must at that point have known that they were going to offer season ticket holders two each, and so that the likelihood was that there would be none left. While I'm on the subject, making people have to go to the ground on a workday absolutely beggars belief. And maybe I give people more credit than you, but I think most folk can rein in their selfishness for long enough to make a judgement as to whether something is fair or not. 1 ticket per season ticket holder makes sense and ensures that there'll be some left over. 2 tickets per season ticket holder is patently unfair; the only people laughing are those lucky enough to have a mate with a spare.
Fair System...? 1. One with 3 away stubs 2. One with Southend Away stub 3. One per ST holder (maximum 6 tickets at a time) 4. One with 3 home stubs 5. General Sale one per person when bought with a West Brom Ticket
It should have been one season ticket , one match ticket but oh no let's alienate some of the people who fork up £300 in advance.</p> I'm a season ticket holder since 94/95 and have been a fan since 1975, fortunately for me I couldn't give a toss about this match as i would personally swap a win against Liverpool for three points against WBA. I know most will think I'm mad, but it's just my view. It does, however really piss me off that glory hunting hangers on will get to see this game when they weren't within 5 miles of Oakwell last Tuesday, whilst the ST holders turn up time after time may not.</p>
I'm a bit pissed off I'm a season ticket holder and I've been to four away matches this season and it looks like I'm not going to get a ticket. There are people who have been to more away games than me, but there aren't 6000 of them.
1. Season ticket holder for 3 or more years (ie league one) 2. Season ticket holder 3. Anyone with 5 or more home stubs plus an away stub 4. Anyone with 5 or more home stubs 5. General sale
I have no qualms with 2 tickets per ST , but I do not agree with anyone turning up with 10 or more ST's... maybe his family's or 1 friends... maybe a boyfriend or girlfriends ...but not as has been reported 20 or more. The club should addres that, I feel thats the one case taht gets up peoples noses the most. Some smug **** clutching a bag full of ST's and we all know that most are for selling on at a profit by whatever means .
1 per season ticket - they knew the allocation, they knew the amount of ST holders - it was a simple decision to allow all ST holders the chance to get a ticket. Then open it to other categories if any left- ticket stubs etc. - where is the confusion in that - ST holders must get preference surely? As has been mentioned above Liverpool fans who are mates of Barnsley ST holders have tickets for this game and they have never been near Oakwell - an absolute farce of the highest order.
RE: I'm a bit pissed off I'm pissed off as well, season ticket holder, same as you been to 5 away games this season and never missed a home game. I wasn't going to be greedy,needed only 1 ticket for my good self. Got to the ground and people were saying you'll have to wait 4 hours before you have a chance to get a ticket. Couldn't wait , but i went back at 3.30waited nearly an hour and then some bloke said they are not giving tickets out until tomorrow. Walked down to the car amd saw people receiving tokens, ran back up to the box office and the person giving tokens out said thats it, you can try tomorrow, didn't even get a token. What a performance (N)
yet again they seem to c*ck things up at oakwell for the real fans!!!!!!!! the person who thought of 2 tkts per season tkt wants to stand outside the ground on saturday with a placard that says so, see how happy they are to take the abuse for those 'real fans' that want tickets, but will now not get them...
Seems a logical progression there (juveniles obviously slightly different). I can't believe that the club don't think like that.
Here's what I reckon should happen. Anyone with a season ticket and say, casn prove attendance of at least 5 away matches, should have the first day or two. After that strictly, one season ticket per holder. Ive got a ticket, but only cos my mate got mine. My uncle got turned away at about 4, so my dad and him arn't looking too clever in getting one. Both have been season ticket holders for over 25 straight years and attended the vast majority of away games in that timespan. How's it fair, that people who have friends with season ticket can get tickets and not regular attenders?
If thats the case.. Why not one per season ticket first 2 days then 2 per season ticket on the 3rd and 4th days - so you can choose to get one straight away or wait in the hope to get a spare as well.
RE: I have no qualms with 2 tickets per ST , but I do not agree with Difficult to judge though. They may be genuinely buying for ST's holder who just can't get to Oakwell. A group of mates will think "why should all of us go, when one can". As will families. They will all be wanting a ticket for themselves, which is fair enough, and a mate, who will be a non ST holder (which is the real issue). If it is 1 match ticket per ST then it doesn't matter if 1 bloke turns up with 5000 ST's, everyone is getting a ticket, with some left over.
Simple...(serious and long thread alert!) There's only one way to do this and it costs some money initially, but it will solve just about all the problems we've had - ticketing for big games, racist abuse, the hassle of the lost season tickets, telephone booking, people transferring season tickets, etc. And that is an electronic 'credit card' type season ticket (we'll call it an ID card for want of a better term). People who buy season tickets get given one and your photograph can go on it. The games are then loaded onto the card and you can swipe yourself into the ground on matchdays. It then keeps a record of your attendance. When season ticket holders then book away tickets they ring up the club, order the ticket, give their season ticket ID number and that game is credited to their record. Again, this provides a record of attendance (the importance of this comes later). Of course, there are some supporters who won't decide in advance whether they will go to an away match and instead will pay on the day. Unfortunately the only way to credit their record for this is retrospectively, i.e they retain their ticket and head over to the box office to have their record credited. But that would be open to potential abuse, so I would suggest that it's just tough luck and that the only way to get credited is to purchase in advance. Now, non season ticket holders can apply for the ID card and then when they book their ticket for the game over the telephone the box office can simply credit their card with that game, so when they turn up at the (fab new) electronic turnstyles they can just swipe in. Hey presto, no lost ticket scenarios any more! Electronic turnstyles may sound futuristic, but those who have been to Southend will know that even rubbish grounds can have them. Okay, so we've got the ID cards, meaning fast entrance to the ground, fast turnarounds in the box office, booking by phone is not a problem, but what about other advantages? Easy, the photo on the cards means it's non-transferrable. This means that the club's paranoia about fraud should be eliminated. Spot checks at the turnstyles can identify culprits and the season ticket holder can then be prosecuted accordingly (or whatever punishment the club sees fit!). It also helps the police identify hooligans. Banned fans have their card removed, etc. It's transferrable into the new season, so renewing the season ticket is easy peasy on the phone. It can cut down the ridiculous 5 hour waits that people have had today. I mean, surely the ambition of all is for us to be having these big games every week, so we need to be better prepared. The big problem that we had at the beginning of the season when it was announced that lost season tickets will have to be re-purchased will disappear. If the ID card is lost the club can simply cancel the card and reissue a new one, for a nominal surcharge. Simple. Another advantage then is that it makes our club look forward thinking and gives better PR. But what about disadvantages? Well firstly there's the expense. But this is mainly going to be the initial expense. If only the club had someone who used to run a multi-million software company, who could set it all up for us... And then there's the problem if the electronic turnstyles malfunction. Well the season ticket ID cards could be issued new every year with 'Season ticket' indicated on it, so they can get through with a manual check (remember, they will have their mug shots on them), and non season ticket holders can be given a booking reference number when they purchase the match for their ticket. If the barriers have failed, the ones that have purchased tickets onto a non-season ticket ID card can give that number at the turnstyles to gain entrance. This will mean that we have to have a couple of turnstyles for each stand equipped with computer terminals to check the booking reference numbers as the fans go in. This shouldn't be needed except in case of emergency though, so there would be plenty of time to work out a contingency plan. Finally (although I'm sure that people will come up with more disadvantages), there's always going to be the 'ID cards compromise freedom' brigade. I know people down here in London who refuse to get oyster cards because they don't want to be controlled by 'the man'. Well there's nothing that you can do about these people and you have to ask what they have to hide? It's a ticket for going to the footy, you're not exactly getting electronically tagged and followed round by secret cameras! So on to the original question, how do you make it fair when we get to big games? Well, one ticket per season ticket is not fair. There are plenty of people who have to pick and choose their games because of other commitments (family, financial, work, distance) and plenty who pay on the day, not to mention plenty of fans who go to more games home and away than season ticket holders, so why should they miss out to someone who, admittedly, has a season ticket, but who hasn't been to an away match since we played at Old Trafford 10 years ago? These electronic ID cards keep a record of attendance, as I mentioned earlier, so we can stagger the release of the tickets and ensure that the die hard, home and away fans don't miss out, whether they have a season ticket or not. And it can be done over the phone (alright, the box office staff will have to physically send out the actual away match tickets, but they won't have to go through the hassle of checking the address, as it will already be on their system, so they just need to employ someone to print them off and stick them in envelopes). Example of a fair system then: Day 1 - season ticket holders who have attended x number of away games Day 2 - season ticket holders who have attended y number of away games Day 3 - fans who have attended x number of matches Day 4 - fans who have attended y number of matches And so on... This would also stop 3,000 people turning up on Day 1. So season ticket holders who regularly travel away (and let's face it, those of us who travel to away matches know it's considerably less than the 6,000 who feel they have a right to the Liverpool tickets) get first and second dibs. This 'rewards' the fans who have made the financial commitment to the club, whilst ensuring that the aforementioned Old Trafford/Wembley/Millenium Stadium type away travelling season ticket holder doesn't get the advantage over the fan who doesn't miss a game, home or away, but who chooses not to buy a season ticket. When we then get down to Day 3 and Day 4, when adding up the total games attended you woud then expect a season ticket holder to have an advantage over non-season ticket holders anyway, because they will have been to most of the home matches, giving a big head start. Anyway, I've gone on a bit, but it is something that is so easily fixable that it drives me crazy when nothing is done about it. Yours Perplexed of Mill Hill (who actually watched Barnsley Boys win the national school trophy at Anfield against Sefton Boys about 15 years ago. And I watched Barnsley Reserves play Liverpool Reserves at Anfield around the same time. So surely that means I should get a ticket...darn it, I'm as bad as everybody else!)