So Keith Scott DID have a gun

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  1. SuperTyke

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    And just before he was shot his wife frantically screamed to him 'dont do it keith'.

    Why or how is that suddenly racist by the police?
     
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    It's not racist but every time a black person is shot in America this is going to be the allegation regardless of the circumstances.
     
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    Just because someone says "he doesn't have a gun", doesn't mean it's true.

    And yes every black person shot by police is now looked at as racist by the American liberal media.

    But the fact is, blacks commit half of all crime in the USA (despite only being 13% of population), which means they will come into contact with the police more than any other race, and are therefore more likely to be shot by police more than any other race.
     
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    I thought a black cop shot him, also chief of police is black and defended the shooting.
     
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    In addition, more whites are shot by the police over here than blacks, but the press do not cover that.
     
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    To be fair the only response you would get is that there are 87% whites living there so obviously there'd be more whites being shot
     
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    Janie had one too.
     
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    I know statistics don't tell the whole story, but even if they don't, the statistics tell you that this Black Lives Matter thing is absolute bullsh*t, the police's response is absolutely justified. The left wants to take guns away but at the same time doesn't want to blame people for having them.
     
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    Spot on. It's vitally important to maintain the right to keep guns otherwise it's not going to be possible to keep killing around 20 children a day. These liberals will take us back to the dark ages. FFS.
     
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    In the last fortnight america has seen three lone wolf attacks from islamic fundamentalists, multiple race riots and cops shooting folk for being armed. Cops getting shot for being cops.

    Its ****ed up over there.
     
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    Big fan of white, middle aged, middle class blokes dismissing all socio economic evidence that black men are unfairly targeted by the Police both here & in the US.
     
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    There isn't any evidence to suggest that black people are unfairly shot dead more than white people are unfairly shot dead by police in either country though is there?

    To add to that doesn't black lives matter refer specifically to the killing of innocent black people rather than to the incorrect arresting or harassment that may or may not exist? With that in mind it seems a bit stupid if them to always use justified or explained shootings to further their cause.

    In other words you can't argue that they are shot unnecessarily and use an example where the 'victim' was a violent gun criminal, illegally carrying a gun and refusing to obey police commands to prove your point because you just look like a bunch of dicks if you do.
     
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    The problem is much bigger than a simple 'black blokes do more crime & carry guns'. You've got to look historically in to the social system to start asking the question 'why'? Watch 'The House I Live In' on Netflix and you'll get a different perspective.

    And I don't believe the Black Lives Matter group exist to prevent the deaths of innocent black men, they exist to highlight that black men are more likely to be killed by the police than white men. Why is that?
     
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    Well apart from the fact that black deaths at the hands of police are actually a small minority it is a fact that statistically black men are far far more likely to refuse to obey simple police commands, are more likely to resist arrest and are far more likely to be concealing a weapon during police stops. They are FBI statistics. And the number of black men resisting arrest (in a violent manner)and refusing to comply with police requests has risen significantly since the start of the black lives matter movement in recent years.

    So you actually have to ask why are black men more likely to refuse to comply with police requests and why are these refusals on the increase significantly since black lives matter? The obvious conclusion is that black lives matter is actually a cause of them refusing to comply and therefore has actually led to more deaths.

    Had Keith Scott complied with the instructions from police (and from his own wife) he would not be dead. Had Terence crutches complied with police instructions he would not have been shot. The list goes on and on.

    The list also includes a hell of a lot of white and Hispanic deaths at the hands of police but funnily enough the media don't care about them.

    Of course everyone knows there is a deep distrust of police by black men, some for very good valid reasons, some not so much but these issues are about unnecessary police stops and things like that, THAT is what they need to focus on, not the killing of black people who illegally carry guns, refuse to comply with police instructions and have a history of shooting at the police. Focusing on THAT and claiming to be victims because of that is utterly stupid.

    It is like Barnsley fans complaining that stewards at away games are overly hard on Barnsley fans (which can be a justified complaint) and then highlighting the ejection up the dick heads who set off flares as shining examples of the stewards being hard on them.

    Edit: In short, black people complaining that they do more crime and wanting a level playing field to stop them doing it is a brilliant movement for me. Black people campaigning to clean up 'their' image is a brilliant movement. Black people campaigning for police to give them a fair chance and not automatically assume that if a crime is committed then it's a black guy who did it. Brilliant movement. Black people complaining that the killing of an illegally armed man who refuses to comply with police instructions, has a history of shooting at police officers and who's wife frantically yelled 'keith don't do it's a second before he was shot? Well what exactly is the argument there? That because he was black he should be immune from police? That because he's black he is allowed to just pull a gun on police? Sorry but that is hypocritical and is not in the best interests of anyone, black, white or purple
     
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    You are very quickly dealing in absolutes and assuming the guilt of Keith Scott. So what was he suspected of? Potentially smoking a joint. And possibly having a hand gun (in a country where gun ownership is legal). Neither of those two things have yet to be proven. Certainly not by the footage. Not in anyway that a jury would find guilty based on that footage. And they certainly weren't proven at the time he was shot dead. By the police. So you've already formed a pretty clear opinion based on Keith Scott based on knowing nothing about him.

    Which is the whole point of the Black Matters campaign.
     
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    i can definitely understand how you're all so well placed to question the #BLM movement. you live it everyday. definitely the best placed to comment. without a doubt. i wish i had a brass eye random graphics generator.
     
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    Black lives matter... only when its cops killing black kids.

    Seems to have ignored the biggest killer of young black males.
    Other young black males.
     
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    Just can't see how

    its possible to make any general assumption on this kind of stuff without loads of analysis, there are so many permutations, number/ ratio of whites to blacks shootings in the country and in then in a specific area, then was it a white, black or other nationality who pulled the trigger,, was it justified or not? the permutations just go on.
    As far as I can see you can only take each case on its merit, but that becomes difficult because there is nearly always somebody prepared to play the race card because it might give them an edge.
     
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    Damn those dead black people getting shot on purpose by the police just to play the race card. Boo I say. Boo.
     

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