Stay as we are and sell best players in January OR new investment and keep our squad?

I know which I'd choose.

then again, two poor home games and it'll be "Hill & Patrick out" on here.

 

Re: Stay as we are and sell best players in January OR new investment and keep our sq

Rubbish, on both points.

 

Just 1 point = Just 1 cornetto

you watch.

 

Re: Just 1 point = Just 1 cornetto

Hill and PC out....only by about four people...in dozens of threads mind!!

 

Re: Stay as we are and sell best players in January OR new investment and keep our sq

I don't think Hill will be forced to sell anyone this year in January. There's no reason why he should unless he wants to. He's been given a budget for the season and he is within it. We are breaking even, we have no debt, we have no major infrastructre projects to fund. Hill made it absolutely clear last year the folly of selling in January. I think the board have listened this year, evidenced by them giving Hill the say over Done.

 

Re: Stay as we are and sell best players in January OR new investment and keep our sq

I am all for this takeover....the only thing worrying me is losing hillcroft! Hill with money....WILL BE best manager in this division...IMO

 

Re: Stay as we are and sell best players in January OR new investment and keep our sq

New investment might mean new managerment and new ideas about who they want. They might be happy to let Cranie and Cywka, and Davies run down their deals and replace with others. We hope not, but new investment doesn't mean retain players.

 

Re: Stay as we are and sell best players in January OR new investment and keep our sq

Only trouble is, its the player power just like Vaz te and McIndoe before them. If they state they wont play for the club any more and they want a move they are powerless to stop them unless they play hard ball, miss out on a transfer fee and make the player rot in the reserves.

If what we believe to be true and the likes of Mellis etc are on very cheap contracts, as soon as a big contract is waived at them there is no way they can turn it down.

Its all good and well getting players for nowt on cheap contracts but as soon as someone comes knocking there aint the will to stay. Even if they are playing well and the team is doing well.

What we need is for the team to get into the top 6, start playing consistently well (like last 2 games) and the fans will come back without a doubt. Once they do we will be in a better position revenue wise to give those better contracts.

Its a fine balancing act but i guess there is only so many times around the merry go round KH will go on this one if he gets the rug pulled time and time again.

 

I dont think its anything to do with the board learning

the cold hard facts are that our balance sheet needs propping up by player sales, Done might not have been sold this time but the money from Butterfield and Vaz Te will only offset the dwindling gates for a period of time, by January we will need to sell and its inevitable that we will, irrespective of what Hill says about "avoiding another catastrophe" he knows the score, our attendances and other revenue streams do not sustain us now Patrick has refused to put any more cash in.

If we want to keep our squad intact we need 15,000 fans a week through the gates or we need investment from someone and as someone who's interest and enthusiasm was diminishing with the constant "survival is our aim" the thought of giving it a real go and being competitive for a full season, keeping the squad and maybe adding some players who were previously out of reach - you must be mental if that's not exciting, just a little bit.

If Patrick sells and Hill gets money to spend, I'll be very happy and if it means longer term we have to face consequences, so be it. Bring it on.

 

Re: Stay as we are and sell best players in January OR new investment and keep our sq

I'm still unsure about the whole thing. Does investment necessarily mean we'll keep hold of our best assets? or just spend more to replace them?

I'd happily welcome investment if it meant an improvement on how the club is run; the massive issue I have is the dwindling crowds, and the only reason why the crowds will return is if the club is competing in the top half of the table on a regular basis, rather than plummeting down the table after christmas. Again, does investment guarantee this? I mean Coventry, Bristol City, Ipswich, Charlton, Southampton, Leicester, Norwich, Forest, Derby, Sheffield United, Portsmouth all teams who have spent heavily over the last few seasons, and with the odd exception, are in a better position than us now? Norwich and Southampton maybe, but both have slipped into league 1 and had financial difficulties in the past couple of years.

 

I don't think we need 15,000 gates to break even

I think we need 13,846.

See, I can completely make stuff up off the top of the top of my head too.

This is fun, anyone else want a go?

 

It was '15,000' as in more than we get currently or are likely to get consistently

didnt expect someone to quote me on it. Then again.

gayboy.

 

But you've no idea

Break even figure could be gates of 10,000. Could be 9,000. Could be 12,000. We don't know. We don't know the wage bill, we don't know the overheads and we don't know the gates we need to break even. So we don't know if we have to sell players. We didn't HAVE to sell Vaz Te and Butterfield. It's just they wanted to go.

 

The rhetoric from Don

pre season was that the money from the sale of Butterfield was put towards balancing the books due to a drop in TV revenue and season ticket sales. That indicates to me at some stage over the next 12 months, unless ticket sales improve, the same investment will be needed to balance the books.

 

Re: The rhetoric from Don

Or we draw Man Utd away in the FA Cup and we don't have to sell anyone for three years.

Maybe we'll have to sell one player before the start of next season for Keith Hill to enjoy the same wage budget as he's had for the last two seasons. But we'll not have to dismantle the whole squad and start again. We'll sell the odd player here and there replace them with new ones and carry on. It's what we've always done, it's what the majority of clubs have always done and it's what we'll still do even if we get investment, unless we get the same sort of investment as Man City or Chelsea, which I don't think is on the cards.

 

A cup run, that would be nice

I remember the days when we could spend £1.2million (allegedly) on a striker.

I'd just like us to be in a financial position strong enough so that when another Championship club comes along in January to buy our best player to say "f,ck off, you're not Premiership so he's not for sale" and to tell players they arent being sold to clubs in the same division. Premiership, fair enough, no issues with players getting a chance to play in the Prem, but if Wolves come along and try and pull our pants down, it'd be nice to have the security to say go and ballax.

 

Re: Stay as we are and sell best players in January OR new investment and keep our sq

Unless of course we don't have the likes of Davies, Cfyka, Mcnulty, Done etc signed to new contracts by then, thus lowball bids will come in for all the above knowing they have six months left on deals.

 

Re: Stay as we are and sell best players in January OR new investment and keep our sq

How do you know money will be invested? If it is, investors generally want their money back. We have players potentially worth £20m, what is stopping a new owner buying the club at a snip and stripping the assets? Keith Hill will have to go because he would not allow that to happen. What possible affinity does a bunch of Italians or Arabs have with Barnsley? Do you think they are coming for the weather? Do you think they will love the club as much as we do? No.

 

Re: A cup run, that would be nice

Didn't we close the door on substantial bids for two injured players who will be hard pushed to get back into the team? What makes you think we will roll over for the better players. There's a new resistance to the poachers. John Stones will go one day, but at least we'll get a lovely shiney new West Stand out of it.

 

Re: But you've no idea

If it helps Rowing told BBS fans we are self sufficient -don't need to sell. He told us the turnover and how it is made up. He told us our profit so we can work out the overheads including wages from that. Fact is we are debt free, and can have a hardcore 15,000 fan base (see late 90's early 00's) if the football picks up. A good prospect.

If we get another Done offer we should take it and use it towards Cywka, Davies and Cranie deals. While I thought rejecting a bid at the time was right, football is a funny old game.