Stefan Payne

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  1. redarmychris

    redarmychris Well-Known Member

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    Got to say I'm really impressed with this lad. He's obviously no where near up to speed yet and the jump from non league to Championship is huge but I actually think he's looked more comfortable than Tuton and Harry White did when stepping into League One.

    One thing I will say though is at the minute he is abysmal from defensive corners. After his mistake on Tuesday night I watched him closely. He was like a rabbit caught in the headlights and completely lost his man. It was strange it was like he really didn't know what to do.

    Some work for Hecky there but going forwards he looks a natural.



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    He showed some nice touches and some pub league ones. But looks like he may have knack of being in the right place at the right time, would have scored if keeper had fumbled a shot late on.

    we were actually laughing at him defending the corners, looked like he had just wondered on to the pitch and didn't know were he was :)
     
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    Sure Hecky and Tommy will be drilling them hard on technical areas like that. Good thing is lots of our players have a lot of improvement in them.

    I do think we'll be in for a striker. Not having a pop at any of ours but just feel that Hecky wouldn't want to be blooding Payne this early. Imagine Tuton will be off to a L1 or L2 team to get games and we'll have a target man/hold up player in before end of August.
     
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    Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed Payne.

    It was probably the worst I've ever seen in regards to someone trying to mark from a corner. I actually think Hammill would be better in there.


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    Payne is a striker.

    Strong.

    This day in age we have a team and I understand that

    I would not expect a striker to be a defender.

    I like what I see and he will be a handful for any defence
     
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    I thought that futon looked really capable too to be honest but you're right, Payne looks like a good prospect.

    I reckon with Winnall, Bradshaw, Watkins, Payne, Tuton and Lee as well we have a really good forward line up with lots f options depending g on what's needed on the the day
     
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    Can't be a liability in out own box though and at the minute he is. Nearly all strikers are expected to defend corners and when playing 2 upfront at least one will be given the role.


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    Disagree.

    At a corner if we have 2 strikers. I would line one at about 25 yard out. The other at half way.

    A striker is paid to score goals. Defend from the front.

    Midfielders are more suited to defend at corners.
     
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    So you'd have Hammill and Kent picking up either a centre half or a striker from a corner?

    Rather than a striker who is used to regularly challenges for headers both inside and outside the box?


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    ???

    You are not hearing what I am saying.

    I'm pretty sure our scouts and hecky didn't sign Payne for his defensive abilities from a corner.

    If hecky picks a team and then sends Payne to defend from a corner just because he is big and tall that's the tactics at fault.

    The lad has come from Dover to the championship.

    Anyone who expects him to make that jump and also be a defender needs there bumps felt.
     
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    You're not making any sense.

    Of course he needs to be able to help defend corners he's 6 ft 3.

    Hecky also wants him to be able to defend corners he said so Tuesday night.


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    Give over.

    A striker is a striker.

    What don't you understand

    10 other players are on the pitch.

    If he can't defend (because he is a striker) you don't pull him back to be a defender do you
     
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    yet hecky slated him other day for losing his man for the second goal and said no point hitting post with a good shot if your going to lose your man when defending. of course he was signed to score goals, but he has defensive duties aswel and he needs to learn them. if hes expecting to get on the pitch then he is expected to do an allround job

    Do you think payne wondered into the box today to defend a corner of his own accord or do you think he has orders from hecky to do so. If hecky didn't care want him to be able to defend he would have put him on the half way line

    The guy has scored 75 goals in 3 seasons, he knows where the net is. They will be working on his game without the ball. Every interview I have heard hecky do he has talked about the importance of players jobs without the ball, so he will want him to work on his defending just as much as attacking
     
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    I was impressed with what I saw of the lad.

    I can see a good asset there given time to adjust to the Championship.
     
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    But there's only 4 defenders on the pitch?

    Wingers are definitely not known for their heading abilities.

    If a team puts 8 men in our box from a corner and leaves 2 back then who do you want to defend the corner?


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    This is the important bit.

    Why he was signed. And he has made that step up.

    Improve other parts of his game.

    Anyone who thinks he can make that jump and do it straight away needs to understand that.

    But he was signed for his striking abilities not defending
     
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    I'm going to read this again tomorrow.

    We won ffs.

    Clean sheet yet Payne is a **** defender.

    You hemsys brother or summat
     
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    Why have you become offensive?

    I know we won we were fantastic.

    Yet again another who doesn't understand constructive criticism on a footballing level.

    Do you really think Hecky goes in their and tells them everything was perfect.

    There's always something to improve on and whilst I love talking about the things we do well I also don't mind talking about where the team or an individual player can improve.


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    I dont think anyone is slating him for it or doesn't want him to play. Just making an observation at an obvious weakness in his game

    He wasn't signed to defend but, he will need to like every other player in the team

    Like i said me and my son were laughing at him today because it was really bad aswell as a couple of touches he had. But it wont stop me from wanting him to get on I was wanting him to replace bradshaw much earlier and I really hope he improves his the weaker parts of his game. But if it does start costing us goals I think hecky will limit his chances
     
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    I'm not being offensive.

    I'm saying just because he's a big unit doesn't automatically mean he is defensive especially straight away considering the jump he's made.

    Over time it's something that can be improved. Not from day one.

    So at that point you don't put him in that situation until you have worked on him in training.
     
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