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  1. Wat

    Wath Red New Member

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    You have to be the most negetive person on this board ever? as soon as things do not go well your having a go?
    And when we do win you likeley to say we were lucky!?

    Lets be honest 1 defeat in 13 or so games is not bad and yes yesterday we were poor againts probabley the best team i have seen so far in this league!

    You always get on Ritchies back for no reason, fair enough we were wasting time with ten mins to go BUT we had not won a set piece all day so why not try to wast time? Was his fault Carbon was injured or that he subbed a player who has just recovered from illness and another player injured at half time?

    Remember Sheff U a few back, higgy went for the killer and we ended up drawing i wonder what you said back then? And fair enough it did not work this tme but against yeovil it did, i agree we should attack if we are playing well but when were not i am all for wasting time.

    Personally i thought that it was not a free kick at the end which they scored from and if that had not been given they might not have equalised.
     
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    " i agree we should attack if we are playing well but when were not i am all for wasting time."

    Not sure that hoofing the ball out to give them a goal kick is time wasting.

    Not to mention trying to get it in the corner when theres about 10 mins left including injury time
     
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    RE: " i agree we should attack if we are playing well but when were not i am all for wasting time."

    (lol)
     
  4. SuperTyke

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

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    We lost yesterday because of tactics and a lack of leadership/management, that was clear for all to see.</p>

    Yes I will moan when we don't play to the best of our ability because I will not accept a Barnsley team that thinks it is good enough to turn up, get paid and go home. I want success and I am not the kind of person to just blindly accept anything just because we are 'lucky to even have a team' as people say all too often.</p>

    You say that 1 defeat in 13 is not bad and you're right on paper it isn't bad but as you will no doubt be aware statistics and numbers can be used to prove almost any point whilst looking with my eyes and seeing right there in front of me a team that looks unorganised, uninterested and simply unable to play as a unit is to me more evidence than any record or statistic.</p>

    We could have been playing manchester united or a sunday league team yesterday we still wouldnt have got anything from the game because we were playing without a midfield. And it wasn't just yesterday it has been in many games this season that people have come away from the ground saying the same things other and other. 'Our midfield wasn't in it', 'we kept hoofing it up the field', 'it was hit and hope'. 'we lost the midfield battle'. How many times do we have to say the same thing before it sinks in that Barnsley Football Club is going nowhere whilever we adopt that tactic? When we got the ball on the ground and actually played football against scnuthorpe and bradford you saw for yourself what happened, we scored 5 goals in each game.</p>

    You say that we had not won a set piece all day, how is that possible when we had scored from one? Wasting time from goalkicks etc is one thing but trying to kep the ball in the corner for a full ten minutes is stupid. What was we hoping to achieve? Was the plan to actually keep the ball in the corner for the full ten minutes? If it was then it was pretty optimistic don't you think? If it wasn't then what exactly was the plan because no players were in the corner to try and get the ball back out, we would have just lost the ball and given away posession (like we did).</p>

    Yes I get on ritchies back. Not for his team selection or anything like that but for the fact that when it is clear that we are getting battered from pillar to post in midfield and he just accepts it. He makes no attempt to change it by bringing on a sub and he doesn't even try to change it by barking out instructions.</p>

    Yesterday was a classic case of bad management. The players came out for the second half with their heads down and didnt win a ball in midfield all the way through the half. Burns and howard might as well have gone home at half time yet it never crossed Ritchies mind to send the midfield subs out to warm up. It never crossed his mind to get on his feet and tell the players to slow it down, get it on the floor and play to our strengths. Why didn't it? I wish I had the answer because he never gives out instructions once the game has commenced.</p>

    As for was it his fault that carbon was injured? No of course it wasnt but I would have to question why they made no attempt to patch him up, no attempt to send him back on the pitch until we had thrown away two points. Then and only then did he and rick holden think that it might be a good idea to put a bandage on his head. That should have been done straight away when he left the pitch because the player clearly wanted to go back on.</p>

    Overall I think that Ritchie is sensible with his squad selection, he makes good signings (though giving Richards a two year deal is bizarre in my opinion) and he has the ability to become a good manager but he needs to learn and learn fast that he is still in charge of the team once they are on the pitch and as a manager he needs to manage for the whole 90 minutes and if that means changing something then he needs to make the call and get it changed.</p>
     
  5. Tarntyke

    Tarntyke Well-Known Member

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    That both their goals came from set-pieces where we had everyone back in our box, yet again, the opposition found time & room to score. This tactic is crap, negative, but worst of all, is highly ineffective.I think Ritchie has done a good job, but I can't help but wonder if has he taken us as far as he can? Time & again he doesn't try to change things around once a team has sussed us out & counter-acted us.Let's hope he can turn this mini slump around? No wins in 3 games is a mini slump isn't it?
     
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    Well I could have mentioned that

    But I have mentioned it so many times that I have got fed up of saying it.</p>

    Interestingly Huddersfield left 2 players up the field when defending a corner yesterday and we in turn left 4 players back to mark them. This meant there was 6 less players in the box and therefore gave their goalkeeper a better chance of claiming the ball, it also gave them an outlet to release the ball early.</p>

    Us on the otherhand left every player back for every corner and funnily enough, yet again we allowed the strikers to have shots in a crowded box.</p>

    I really do worry about Ritchie's abilities when it comes to managing the team once they have crossed the line.</p>
     
  7. Wat

    Wath Red New Member

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    not going to lie that is some response, however we scored direct from a free kick and in my eyes a set piece is something worked on e.g flick on front post etc

    what gets me is just becasue you don't see AR jumping up and down does not mean he is not giving instructions, i'm sure i see him shouting orders on to the pitch?

    are you the same supertyke who moaned when ritchie did not speak to the players after the LDV donny defeat? yet stated that Mick Harford got the rotherham players in for extra training after losing to us? i am sure you were srtating MH to be the better manager?

    when you talk about sats your right they can be wisted to prove anything but at the same time you state "whilst looking with my eyes and seeing right there in front of me a team that looks unorganised, uninterested and simply unable to play as a unit is to me more evidence than any record or statistic" but that is pure opinion which can again be have spin on it, where i thought we played crap in the midifeld but despite playing ***** limited there chances?

    however what can be said is fair enough we did not play well but we pickedup something from the game, i would love to play well each week and win easily but a sign of a good team is still picking points when playing poorly. Do Chelsea play superb all the time? or Man u in there hay day? No, yet they still get something from the game and it makes a change for us becasue last season before that we would have lost that game, which shows how far we have come?

    Huddersfield to me were the best team i have seen at oakwell this season and should have won but they didn't and they could not have played much better and us much worse yet we still did not lose and thats why we have the best chance in a long time of mounting a promoting challenge or am i wrong?

    At bthe end of the day Ritchie could scream and shout all he wants but the players have to do it still, fair enough he could have made better use of subs maybe, but what about bringing nards on who pinched a goal. is that not good management? or just lucky?
     
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    Ahem..lost you say?
     

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