Talksport.. Good listen

Decent Wigan fan on talks like a proper fan... doesn't sound too confident though.

about 2 mins in.. Forest Green owner also .. good listen

https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1596272400/1596277800/

 

Yeah I thought it was a good chat ..the guy from the national supporters federation also made a lot of sense. The time for self-regulation is over. The EFL is incapable of being consistent or showing the prerequisite teeth to transgressers.

 

Lad from Wigan fanzine spoke sense. Was a great listen. Forest Green owner came across brilliantly. Think I've become addicted to Talksport.......

Simon Jordan is my fave. He needs to run the FA, EFL, FIFA and the Prem.

 

Like Jordan talks sense and ant got time for the weak lily livered arsh*les at the EFL, said a few weeks back that Wigan broke the rules and should be prepared to accept the consequences as should all clubs that kno that they are breaking the rules..........few more to come then

 

In the same breath, he said they were financially sustainable and that they needed an owner with deep pockets....

 

Were Sheffield Wednesday's points deduction mentioned?

 

What surprised me is that the Wigan lad was confirming what we know re-Cooks gone and they are
having to sell their best players. They had hoped to sell some for £5-£10 million, which prompts
you to ask which Wigan player is worth that.? In my view none of them.

In pleading the case to stay in the Championship, he also admitted that they are due to
pay a £1 million instalment to us, for Moore BUT, given their financial situation, Barnsley
might not recieve that. Given that admission, how can they be allowed to stay in the Championship.?

 

that’s the contradiction that caught me as well. The sad thing is that it’s now generally accepted that all owners should have deep pockets to subsidise a club.

they made Moore a contract offer using those deep pockets which wasn’t guaranteed to last.

 

We got a mention or two...... think all us football fans are sorry for the fans. But rules are rules. What if roles were reversed? When all said and done they bought (and haven't paid in full) our 20 goal striker. A player the Wigan fan called their talisman. A player I'm sure if we'd kept that we'd have stayed up without reliance on points deductions.

It's a shame as we'd a decent respect with player connections like Redders Shez Lidds De Zeuuw etc.

The fanzine lad even wrote us an article saying as much for West Stand Bogs.

 

That's a sporting advantage isn't it? Having a "talisman" like Kieffer. Insane if we get relegated, they get to stay in the Championship, and then they not pay us for Moore.

 

Yeah. Antonee Robinson. Kid that should have been sent off we just laiked em.

 

If they stay in the Championship, and want to play, they will have to pay us for Moore. All football-related creditors must be paid. What would be crazy is that they win their appeal, cannot find a buyer, go into liquidation, and we lose £1m on top of the £6m-ish we already lose by being relegated.

 

Speak for yourself. Sorry is the last thing I feel. As with Bolton, their overspending enabled the fans to have years in the Premier League. In Wigan's case they actually won something. We've played fair and had neither.

So they've had their enjoyment. They can now enjoy watching as the squad gets butchered and their club plummets down the leagues.

Wigan 0-5 Accrington is coming over the hill. It'll please me when it happens.

 

I think he may have been the one who should have been sent off early doors for kicking Ritzmaier up in the air.

 

Simon Jordan is great. I don't often listen to Talk Sport but I have tuned in a few times when he is on and he speaks a lot of common sense.

 

A long one from me.

BFC is a self-sustainable football club. When the club makes a loss (usually first year after relegation), the club sells players to make a profit the next year. It’s something the club is routinely castigated for by the fanbase - selling players. But it’s for a purpose. Living within its means. And to do that, the focus has to be on signing young players in the hope that they develop and can be moved on for a big profit down the line. Again, something the fanbase don’t like.

There are other ways of running a football club, and BFC has tried other avenues. Loaning six or seven players it couldn’t ordinarily afford, temporarily. Allowing the manager to recruit players he knows and has worked with previously. Utilising the foreign market. A mixture of the above. But certainly in the 30+ years I’ve been following the club, it has never looked to spend above its means. Unless someone can tell me different.

In that same 30-year timeframe, I’ve seen a Wigan club climb from absolutely nowhere right to the top flight, even winning a major trophy, with a fanbase no bigger than ours. With less history. No bigger attraction. They managed it because they had an owner who was willing to spend beyond the club’s means. There was no miracle campaign (like Barnsley’s in 96/97). It wasn’t some Hollywood fairytale. They spent money building squads in each division that were - in terms of ability - a level further up. Until they got to the big time, and met clubs who could blow them out of the water. But they had a terrific run in the grand scheme of things. Much as the Maxim Denin-Bournemouth just have for a number of years. Punching above their weight, based on overspending.

Once these unconvincing financial ‘fair’ play rules (FFP, P&S) arrived, a number of owners pulled away from the game. Including Wigan’s. And it appears that now, Wigan have been let down by their latest ownership groups. Just as Dejphon Chansiri at Wednesday has had to try and find ways around ‘fair’ play, and been busted doing so, it appears Wigan, Derby, Birmingham, Charlton and others no doubt are falling foul in their attempts to cheat the system.

And it is cheating. You can tell me clubs are allowed to lose £39,000,000 over a certain period, but to me that is just plain wrong. It’s a form of cheating. If you don’t have the funds to pay your dues, you’re gambling. I understand why clubs do it, but it doesn’t make it right.

But going back to the Reds - if you take away with the TV money or the ability to trade, then it would be knackered too. And why? Because footballers are paid too much in salaries. More than too much. Absolutely eye-watering wages.

In essence, football is an obscene industry and until there’s a proper genuine desire to change the wages paid to the players, nothing will change. And that will never happen. I do not blame footballers though. Just as I wouldn’t blame Joe Bloggs in a Tesco warehouse if he was randomly offered 10k a week to do his job.

As for a final point on Wigan - they were put into admin and I appreciate it looks bizarre how it happened. But they’re selling anything that moves on their roster (I speak American now), they’re relying on their supporters trust to pay the salaries of back room staff who earn peanuts, having already made 75 redundant apparently. They haven’t paid their players’ wages. They furloughed their players during lockdown. Their manager has left. Players they took off other clubs for over £3m on close to £20k a week are now being lined up to leave. So how, when all that is said, is their -12 deduction unfair?

They entered admin, they don’t have any money, it is not a sustainable business.
My sympathy goes out to the staff behind the scenes and - even though they are firing off at BFC - to their fans. It’s a sad state of affairs.

BFC haven’t done anything wrong. They broke no rules. They don’t rely on owners to overspend. They didn’t enter admin. And despite having sold key players (like a sustainable football club) and suffered at times this season, the Reds managed 49 points (8 more than the 17/18 campaign when last relegated) which sees them 21st and above the relegation zone based on league rules.

Wigan fans should aim their displeasure and ire at the EFL, at their dubious owners, at the owner who sold to dubious owners, at any of their owners who agreed to pay such high wages to bog standard footballers. And in the coming days no doubt, at the independent panel who must act for the greater good.

 

Post of the week.

I hope our CEO used you as a scriptwriter for his slot at Wigan's appeal.

 

This should be posted on every clubs fans forums lest they forget