Test & Trace

Boris and Rishi are very lucky they can be part of a 'pilot scheme' or it would have looked like a Bernard Castle moment of one rule for us and one rule for the rest of them.

https://news.sky.com/story/pm-and-s...ged-after-javids-positive-covid-test-12358198

https://news.sky.com/story/latest-p...to-self-isolate-as-part-of-pingdemic-12358191

 

No surprise really' although the rule is ludicrous' if you've had both jabs and done a negative test you should be allowed to go about your business' its hardly a great advert for the vaccines is it..

 

Unless anything has changed the vaccine has only been proven to stop people dying and massively reduce hospitalisations. Not stop people carrying and spreading the virus. It may turn out to but they're just not sure yet.

If you were incubating the virus you might test negative but still have it. We're just not quite there to be letting people go about their business but the government wants everyone to think we are as they know the public is fed up of waiting now.

That's why they're completely ignoring all the scientists from the UK and around the world urging them to hold of from tomorrow's lifting of restrictions. It would be nice if they'd at least acknowledge said concerns.

 

Every adult in the UK has been offered a vaccination though haven't they? And everyone over 40 (maybe even 30) and everyone in an at risk group has been offered two vaccinations.
If people have chosen not to take up the vaccination offer is it right to continue restrictions to protect them?

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-boris-johnson-dodges-self-24559242

So they have done a U turn now. Not like the government.

 

One of the scientist's primary concerns is the long term effects of covid on young people and children. It's not just the stage of the vaccination program but the current high rate of infection and the rapid doubling rate that is causing concern about us lifting restrictions.

As always not trying to be righteous or insult opinions of others. Just trying to present the other side of the argument

But I agree on those refusing to get vaccinated. No sympathy. Whatsoever.

 

Jumping in front of the crowd and pretending to lead. A complete pile of dog turds is this government. Ruled by a useless fat tub of lard, clown.

 

That was a fast u-turn! It was quickly becoming a Barnard Castle moment for them so not much choice really.

 

Schools have seen utter carnage over the last few weeks with so many isolating. Our PM has shown utter contempt for all school leaders and to thousands of children who have missed out

 

I know up aren't being like that, it's mainly the reason I replied to you because you put your point across well and are reasonable.

The bit I'm struggling with is the doubling of infections. If vaccinations don't prevent the spread of the virus then without restrictions it will spread and it will spread at an ever increasing rate just as we are seeing now but presumably even quicker. With that in mind does it make any difference when restrictions are lifted as the end result will be the same, an uncontrolled spread of a virus? Surely it gets to a point where we have to accept that a virus spreads and mutates. It's what every single virus out there does.

Do we not have to accept that it will continue to do so pretty much forever and that continuing restrictions any longer means that they either have to remain in place permanently or if they are just temporary then it is merely kicking the can down the road? Is there not also an argument that it is better to pick up the can in the middle of summer when our hospitals are always at their most underutilised than it is to kick the can into winter and attempt to pick it up in the period that routinely sees patients in hospital corridors?

On the issue of people choosing not to be vaccinated. My view has always been the same, they should be entitled to exactly the same NHS treatment as everyone else. No difference there at all. However they should not be included in figures of people dying etc and shouldn't be factored in when making decisions on restrictions as they've made a personal choice.

 

I get what your saying i just think that with 80 million vaccines administered added to the people that should have some immunity through infection we ought to be in a better place than we are..

 

I’m no judge, but I don’t think PM will have shown contempt to ALL school leaders. I’ve no evidence to support this view, but I think we can all guess what type of school and what type of pupil will be less affected.

 

That makes a lot of sense.. Summer is definitely a better time to be doing this. Of course if this wave ends up on the larger size of the predicted models then we could go into winter flu season with the hospitals already at or above capacity.

I think the long term ideal is a vaccine that stops spread (and they still might), but right now stopping the dying is enough. Between the number of people who've had covid already and the vaccination program we're not a million miles from the mythical 'herd immunity' threshold. In future we will have flu like boosters for the most vulnerable every winter and will be prepared in advance for more virulent or fatal strains hitting the general population, but right now the whole world is still just treading water in this fight.

Are the scientists being overcautious because they value human lives around the world significantly higher than people's businesses and well being in the UK? Probably.

Is this government powering through against many global scientists wishes when the situation isn't ideal because they value getting the UK back on track more than saving lives abroad? Probably.

This is definitely more of a grey situation than a black and white one.

 

Seems to me that he's shown utter contempt for everyone in the land.

For 2hours 38(?) minutes. But it was long enough.

 

I had to isolate last week after being in contact with a positive case - that class returned on Tuesday only for another child to test positive - 20 days of isolation

 

There was an article the other day speaking to a doctor who said many of those in his hospital were in their 30s and had said, "I didn't think I needed a vaccination."

Now they're ill, sometimes seriously and the NHS has to stretch again to pick up the slack with covid wards opening, operations cancelled and staff having to go back into full ppu and deal with families upset about their loved ones and not being able to see them.

Not only that but it stops people in other wards visiting non covid patients as they increase measures to stop transmission. My Dad has kidney removed 3 weeks ago due to cancer and it was pretty grim for a week or more when he was delirious after the operation and had no clue where he was and we couldn't do anything than wait. The HDU ward eventually let me and my brother in to see him, and once he saw us he picked up remarkably quickly. Was sad to see others in there who maybe weren't as lucky before they passed.

 

Sorry to hear about your Dad, mate. Hopefully, he continues with his recovery.

 

IIRC the current cases are overwhelmingly with people aged 20-39 and 0-19.

 

I rad around 20% of fully vaccinated people catch covid from exposure to it, but obviously symptoms much milder.