The Academy

I really think it is time to start thinking about downgrading this.

We currently do not have 1 academy player in the team, even though we have had academy status for 5+ years.

If it is costing us the reported £250,000 a year to run I think this could be invested better elsewhere.

This may not go down well, but its just not paying dividends.

 

Clubs outside of the Premiership are going to have to look at the academy set up very soon anyway. Funding for these is lower than what it was a few years back, and the money they used to rely on from Premiership clubs is quickly vanishing from the game.

This season, Doncaster have already had to relese all but 2 of the scholarship players due to lack of funds for next season, and very few clubs are looking to take on for next season at the moment.

Unless something is sorted soon, academies could quickly vanish.

 

It's scandalous that the Premier League clubs won't hand over

a bit more of the Sky money to be distributed among lower league clubs tohelp fund their academies/COE's. £30m quid minimum forbottom of Premier League? If they took just £0.5m to £1m off each club and distributed it then it would make a huge difference. The long-term future of the national team looks bleak if the lower league clubs are stopped from bringing english kids through as the Premier League clubsaren't bringing too many through.

 

OB in sensible post shocker

whatever next?

 

RE: It's scandalous that the Premier League clubs won't hand over

Afraid to say over the next few months to 18 months there are going to be allot of heart-broken kids around the UK. The annoying thing is, kids are getting rejected not for the lack of talent BUT because of lack of money..... What can you do though??? The FA need to look at it, and act with the government if needed to put procedures in place to protect the younger generation moving into football AND more important, the national team.

 

Maybe you just 'imagined' it!

I imagine.</p>

 

RE: It's scandalous that the Premier League clubs won't hand over

They don't care. It all started when the clubs decided not to give the away team a share of the gate receipts and it's gone down hill since then.</p>

It's about business, money dividends salaries share schemes tax shelters.... Football ?</p>

As for internationals I don't think the clubs could give a flying **** about them.... what more games to get their players injured in ?</p>

Meanwhile in the real world of the league 72 other clubs are grinding along some with reasonable aspirations of joining the prem, whilst the vast majority are just trying to survive a fair few still suffering from ' chasing the dream' which has now become a nightmare.</p>

 

no chance

Had a meeting yesterday with a couple of local sports coords for our secondary schools and their job remits have changed in the last year...as follows.

Their brief started with get as many kids involved in sports full stop. Regardless of ability, the more involved the more talents will come through. Great idea working well.

This year "we're having a change of focus", "we're now looking at Gifted and talented" and the gov are throwing money at (it's obscene!)....the reason?

Olympics!

One money spinning event and the way we teach our kids must change i.e. focus on the ones that may take part and win us something so we don't look total failures. They forget that the successful countries (and this includes football) are so because they've been doing it right for years and the structure is in place. We think we can throw money at it for a few years make it an overnight success and then hope it's sustainable when we pull the plug and throw money at something else.

Your right we need to develop it, but I'm afraid it's got to come from within football because the gov are full of fads not ideas.

Sorry for the rant!

10-4

 

Too true. It's like a small shops trying to compete with the

big 4 supermarkets. They will be driven out of business. But unfortunately in football you need the competition from other clubs to generate interest. Nowadays there doesn't seem much point in watching Man U or Chelsea against anyone but a top 4 club as they rarely seem to lose. The clubs are only thinking of the short-term, no idea what can be done to change it as the Premier League now has all it's own powers having split from the Football League who have to go round with their begging bowl. Unless something changes then I think the govt. needs to move in to force changes on them.

 

I must have done

along with the 100 or so other supporters trust members who were present when SD made his comments about players such as Dale Tonge.

Speaking of imaginary matters, have you dreamed up any more anti BFC / simon Davey / Gordon Shepherd anecdotes this morning? or were you too busy on your rounds?

 

I think that is where you have a different opinion to me

I don't include Dale tonge in the 'fringe players that have been here too long' section.

Williams, Wroe and Jarman, yes. Dale Tonge, no.

 

the sadest thing i heard was Sam Allardyce

saying if they take away the 4th champions league spot that kills the dream for Bolton. How bad as it got that the dream is if they have the best season they have ever had then they might possibly finish 4th and get knocked out of the champions league in the group stage. Thats the dream. Gone are the days when the best season you ever had would see you challange for the league it just cant be done. How many teams in the prem just have very little to play for? just that fabled ueffa cup spot, its a sad state of affairs.

 

You're as daft as LD Red!

Nothing to do with being anti anyone, I just can't find my pair of rose-tinted specs that a few of you seem to wear. </p>

Do you honestly think that loaning out Tonge, with a view to getting rid, while paying out &pound;50K (&pound;75K if we stay up) for Mattis looks like good business?</p>

 

Is Allardyce on drugs?

Unless Abramovich calls it a day or Wenger leaves Arsenal what chance have Bolton got to come 4th?</p>

I'll say none.</p>

Taking a place away from the Premier League would open it up for me.</p>

 

I agree that Tonge is the pick of the bunch

Is he up to the task? probably more so than Mattis but I dont see him / work with him week in and week out to know for sure.

I dont know for sure what goes on behind the scenes at Oakwell any more (or probably less) than 99.9% of the posters on here.

 

Neil Austin should be playing ahead of Eckersley and Heckingbottom at left back. Dale Tonge should be in place of Mattis/Jones and just because the manager can't see this doesn't mean that the academy doesnt work.

We've spent £75k on mattis alone and thats not including his signing on fee and wages and I don't think there are many people who think he is better than tonge. what we need to do is stop signing crap for stupid sums of money, we can get our own youngsters that are better than this for a fraction of the cost.

For example Flinders. He came through the academy and was then sold for in my opinion a very low figure and we've replaced him with a much poorer alternative.

 

Flinders was more by luck than Judgement.

He was on his way for nowt until Turnbull got injured and they were forced to play Flinders.</p>

We got market rate for Flinders compared what other young keepers were going for.</p>

 

but not as daft as thee

I am prepared to give the manager and the club my support for now.

Constantly having a dig at almost everything they do is not productive. Especially when you know **** all about what is really going on.

 

The thing is no one cares a flying F unless they benefit

Take the initial post, close the Acadamy cause we aint getting anything out of it, (in so many words) its no good just looking for someone to blame cause we are all collectivley responsible... Its all about GREED and getting the best for us, ours, or what we care about and as the chant goes &quot; **** on the Barstewards below&quot;... Sorry Guys and Gals but in todays society it aint going to change.... When this pub closes the revolution starts.... bring it on

 

oh and

name a Barnsley manager that has not signed a useless waste of space in his tenure. History is littered with them along with players who are shipped out as no good and turn into superstars. It happens at all clubs.

I agree, Mattis looks a waste of money.