this migrant crisis. ..

We live on an island with limited resources already at breaking point struggling to look after our own yet we are willing to accept a few thousand more....

Why cant we follow as a country tje example of say denmark or slovakia whove basically said **** off.

 

Refugees not migrants.

 

Because we have too many do gooders in this country to say fck off

 

Do-Gooders, people who speak out and take action when they believe something's wrong. Perhaps?Take them any day over passive,do as your're told, head buried in the sand lot.

 

You're partially correct, Tories do look after their own, but they don't struggle to. Who says we're at breaking point, just because the poorer masses are being squeezed to and beyond their limits, There's plenty of richer people doing very nicely.

 

Why arn't they at home fighting the enemy, if our parents and grandparents had done in 1940 what the Syrians are doing we would be speaking German now. Obviously not the children, but there are a hell of a lot in their late teens /early 20's.

 

If we stopped funding terrorists to overthrow hostile governments we wouldn't need to take them in.

 

Because we have some compassion and would rather struggle a little bit more than see innocent people and children die?

 

We'll just have to wait three weeks for a GP appointment instead of two.

And forget about ever getting a council house.

 

Because we're NOT ALL a set of cnuts !

 

Yvette Cooper says we should take more refugees she must have rocks in her head.

 

You're confusing resources with distribution of wealth.

I'm absolutely appalled by some of the ***** on social media. Usually from hypocrites who were singing the praises of Nicolas Winton when he died.

 

^^^This, pretty much.

The biggest (by some margin too) number of migrants into the UK this last 12 months were Chinese.



I interrupt this post to say I've just heard on the news that refugees are "on the island of Lesbos". Haha, lesbos. Thought that was a fake place that Eddie used to refer to in Bottom.

 

These are students though arent' they - here to study pay huge fees which subsidise our childrens education (cough) - steal our ideas - then go back and get rich exploiting their poor countrymen to make lots of electronic gadgets and toys for us to waste our money on?

And does the number of chinese exceed those from Poland / Latvia, Romania, etc inside the EU who may not even be in the figures, do not count, - or may indeed all already be here if you believe the daily mail.

 

Some are some aren't..

 

You ****ing kidding. It's like asking why the Jews didn't fight the Germans. It is genocide. It is their own government and also the insurgent. If one doesn't kill them the other would.

Luckily in 1945 our ancestors welcomed in refugees from the war. The ones that weren't killed.

 

How can you not want to help these desperate people?

 

I'm about as far away from DEETEE's pov as you can get, but I don't believe this country grows nearly enough food to feed the population. As far as infrastructure is concerned we do have a housing shortage, particularly affordable and social housing. Front line services are stretched to breaking point. Much of that may be down to government policy, but the reasons are immaterial, that is the reality of the situation.

I believe we should take in refugees, on the grounds of compassion, but the resources, infrastructure and services aren't really there. They should be, but they're not.

 

The acceptance of refugees should certainly be coupled with an abandonment of austerity and immediate investment of our ample resources in to public services and infrastructure. In the meantime I'd say we're as best placed as most to take refugees. I'm not sure any country has surplus housing, services and infrastructure idling away. I've been involved in identifying potential temporary accommodation for refugees this week. Funny how it's sharpened central government minds towards putting investment in to assets they had no interest in prior to pictures of dead children.

Hopefully it might bring about fundamental changes too. Because people who a month ago where criticising benefit scroungers and supported austerity suddenly are championing the most vulnerable in our society as being needy when they couldn't care less before.

Sorry, I didn't mean to respond so flippantly. You know I know the stresses public services are under but that's not due to volume of people, it's lack of investment. Not because of a lack of resources but because of the transfer of those resources to the few. So if we say go away because we haven't the infrastructure we're basically saying go away because we've let someone else have all the money. Basically saying tough is just letting capitalism win. Again.

 

My take on this whole crisis is this:

Refugees or migrants? Refugees flee from the country where they are facing persecution or death and aim for the first safe country. When they cross five, six, seven borders they become migrants.

Personally I think the government have got it right in that the refugees they are going to take will be from the camps on the borders of Syria and Iraq. Those who have paid people smugglers and crossed several borders won't be taken.

What worries me is that even if we only take 20,000 over the next few years is where will we put them? We already have waiting lists for social housing so long that some people will never be housed. Surely they cannot jump to the top of the queue?

The other thing I've been pondering is that I'd say the majority of those fleeing are young, seemingly fit, men. Why are they not joining up with the forces opposing ISIS and the other islamist terrorist groups to fight for their land.

I'm not saying that they are all using this as an opportunity to search for a new life in Europe but I suspect there are some. Furthermore my biggest concern, not necessarily for the UK because of my point about the stance our government is taking, but those countries that seem to be just opening their borders is how many terrorists are taking this opportunity to find their way into Europe.

There are no easy solutions to this problem but simply opening borders to 100s of thousands is definitely not the answer and is storing up problems once the hysteria dies down and the dust settles.