Toney/Winnall last night

Toney received sarcastic cheer when he went off for Fletcher , but did Winnall do any better

Thought he had one of his poorest games for us last night to be honest

Yes i know he's scored 20 goals but doesnt mean he should escape any criticism when not playing well

other than that great result haha

 

Only seen 80% effort from Toney last two games. Can't risk him again?

 

And do you think winnall did this ?

 

I think Winnall was at least willing to make runs and offering to come short to pick up the ball. Toney looked disinterested and afraid to have possession.

 

Winnall didn't have a good game, but is that because when things aren't going well for him he drops deeper to try to get more involved and ends up being an ineffective midfielder / winger?

There was no effort at all from Toney last night - not a jot.

 

Said it for weeks, Winnall is shattered. He came back for Wembley as we needed him, but wasn't really ready. The big pitch and the emotion/energy of the game and the injury he got has made it tough for him! He's had to play 4 x 90 mins in Saturday-Tuesday games since then!! The rest between the last 2 games will do him the world of good!!

Apart from Wigan away Toney looks like a donkey with no brain or heart half the time!! Fletcher must start on Saturday!

 

Didn't realise how many Sam had played...50 so far this season...not surprised if he's tired.

 

midfield were far too deep last night, forcing winnall to come looking for the ball. that said he was poor

 

We have three first choice strikers to pick from (Watkins out for the season ) in Winnall Fletcher and Toney with the inexperienced Tuton as back up and possibly 6 games to play.

Hecky has to be careful in his selection.

Lose one of those three to injury or suspension and we'd be really stretched to the maximum.

 

It was the same on Saturday. Winnall was equally as average as Toney was. The big difference is that you can expect Sam to chip in with goals.

The two of them don't work well together, but I'd say the same about a Fletcher/Winnall partnership.

 

Find it weird that Toney's effort is been questioned when he clearly put in more effort than Winnall.

I'd be all in favour of starting Fletcher if he had 90 minutes in him but he only seems to perform off the bench & he didn't even do that yesterday.

All the front 6 were poor last night. Poor touches & a frustrating night all round.

I've got to say I was a bit annoyed with some of the fans around me. Lots of sighing & shouting abuse when the final passes in good moves didn't come off. They need our support, it's not like we've watched frustrating performances every week

 

Wigan away? - I thought that was in a couple of weeks time, can you predict the future?

 

When Peterborough were reduced to 10 players, they had no alternative but to try to play out time for 0-0. They made two banks of 4, one bank just ahead of the other and left one player up to act as a first line of defence. They gave up the ball and concentrated on closing down the space in the final third. We had total control of the other two thirds for 90% of the time. There was no reason to want to play the dreaded 5 in midfield. And yet, for the final 25 minutes, Sam Winnall's frustration at not getting enough involvement in the game took him back into an advanced attacking midfield position leaving just one forward.

When trying to break down a deep and organised defence, a team has two options. It can attack the goal line through the wingers and full backs or it can try to move the defence about so as to create angles for through passes to the front two. Hecky switched Hammill to the right so that when he drove for the goal line, he would generally be crossing with his better foot. On the other side Isgrove/Chapman were sacrificed as they would be required to cross with their weaker foot. All our eggs were in the Hammill basket. Sadly, Hammill's crossing was poor. But that was not the only reason that the ploy failed. The other reason was that Winnall was hardly ever in the box in time for the cross. And for those who think I am making this up, I was watching closely because I was not happy that Winnall was coming deep for the ball.

My second point about the central midfield players finding the angle to deliver the ball to the feet of the front two relies on a number of things. It relies on good lateral movement of the front two, it relies on the pace of the front two if the ball is hit between defenders for them to run on to, and it relies on the ability and vision of the two central midfield players to make the pass. Sam Winnall had abandoned lateral movement in favour of a search for the ball and a possible chance to hit a long range shot so Toney/Fletcher were trying to move the defenders about on their own. Neither Winnall nor Toney appear to have any great pace and finally, our central midfield players (particularly Brownhill) do not appear to have the ability or vision to find an accurate pass when a defence is tight. So instead, they resort to the aerial route, which our forwards are not particularly suited to.

As we have acquired a reputation for being one of the better sides in the division, teams have amended their strategies. Now most teams concentrate on keeping their shape and attacking us on the counter, and this is particularly true when they are reduced to 10 players. Away from home, the home team has a responsibility to its fans to attack, and there is more space for us to counter quickly. The reason that we are struggling to break down these deep defensive structure is that we lack real quality in several areas.

 

JPT mate.

 

I'd said this at the start of the season when he was under appreciated and was in his wrong position and he still is my favourite player but Marley Watkins is the only striker we have that can come short for the ball effectively and run in behind effectively. Fletcher looks more dangerous when running in behind, Toney looks average when he comes short and Winnall isn't brilliant at either as he hasn't got the best touch and isn't quick but his movement in the box, at least in this division (who knows in the Champ if we get there) justifies his selection and his finishing is usually top notch.

Bottom line is you can pair almost any forward in the world at our standard with Marley Watkins and he will make them shine because he is so selfless and team motivated that he constantly makes thoughtful runs, both short and long that opens teams up even if he knows he won't get the ball.

Off the ball he's better than anyone, never stops closing defenders down and since January has improved his quality around the box. He's my PoTY by some distance.

 

Correct, he was getting no service from them at all.they were not coming forward enough and sat back. Sam then drops back for ball and knackers himself running round like a chicken
Toney??? He was like a paper tissue, he did not like their tackles and was never involved. He will never develop into Newcastle team with those performances.
We need Fletcher back in for Blunts game. Liked how Scowen overlapped with Hammill. He put more good crosses over than Hammill himself
Need a draw or win at sheffield

 

Thought Fletcher did more,look more interested,put himself about more. Closed down quicker in first 5 mins he was on then all time Toney did whilst he was on

 

A few on here said before the game give tuton a go up top and got slated saying we can't risk it at this stage. But if we had of gone with tuton least he would have gave 100% toney didn't look interested one bit suprised he wasn't subbed earlier. Winnall didn't have the best game was unlucky not to score just before ht but can never accuse him of not trying.