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  1. Tru

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    When Carlton Morris goes to Luton Town how much are we betting it will say undisclosed fee?
     
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    All bets are off.
    It's the eleventh commandment or 1st amendment if you're from the other side of the pond.
     
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    Why would you want to disclose a fee. And let other clubs know how much you have at your possible disposal. To inflate their valuations.
    Why is everyone fixated.
    People are interested. I understand that. But clubs don't put it out there for a reason.
    To annoy folk isn't a reason.
    It's extremely common in football.

    Interesting reports but pretty obvious.

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/46453-revealed-why-clubs-leave-transfer-fees-undisclosed

    https://soofootball.com/undisclosed-fee-in-football-the-in-depth-explanation/
     
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    I bet the new home kit is red.
     
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    Is that what the reports conclude though? My take on reading them is actually anything but that. Feels highly unlikely that other clubs won’t know. Agents will know, clubs will know. I don’t think it’s about keeping the numbers from other clubs at all.

    I personally think it’s about keeping it from fans, largely to minimise the expectation that the full amount received will be spent on new players. For many clubs, only a portion of transfer fees will go back into the player budget. Sometimes that portion will be small. Sometimes it won’t be used for player budget at all.

    I do get that it might be at player request, but I doubt that happens often. Maybe if it’s a big fee and players don’t want the pressure of a big money signing. But even that tbh, I’m not so sure. In fact, for many of them I imagine it fits their ego quite nicely.
     
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    Can you stop talking sense please
     
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    Destroys the Myth. Why is it only us though.
     
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    Because the perception is we sell cheap and don't want to admit it.. whether true or not may I add
     
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    It is pretty common practice for clubs not to announce it, been this way for ages.

    We should have some indication with this one though as so far the reporters are saying 2 million for the fee. If that is true, it will smash the Luton transfer record so they would announce him as a club record signing. If they don't, we can assume we have been shafted and he has cost less than Sluga cost them (around 1.5 million). If they do announce him as a record signing, then at least we know we got more than the 1.5 they paid for Sluga.
     
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    But that's the perception of most, if not all fans, not just we.
    Eg . Woodrow comparible fee, according to some re Toney, was way off the mark when they were both at the top of their game. And Toney was being quoted as £10m by Barry Fry at the time.
     
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    Be interesting to see how Jones describes Morris.
    If Woodrow was the Marquee signing what does that make Morris?
     
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    Many forget its a business first and foremost...Quick question..if it was your company would you want to tell everybody your business dealings ?
    Wait until the accounts go in to be checked approved and then released
    You can then see if I'm not mistaken incoming revenue and the like
    Yes I get the vibe the buzz it creates but at the end of the day the deals being done are between the two clubs and the incoming or out going players and their agents not the supporters
    Sorry to pxxs on anybodies parade
     
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    I very much doubt it's only us. The other thing is, transfer deals are no longer straight transfer fees, and can be quite complicated. We now often see 'in a deal worth around', rather than 'signed for a fee of'. Payments up front, payments in stages, appearance based, international appearances, goals, onward transfers, image rights. All sorts I imagine. Which probably makes it less practical to go into detail about all that...and that's probably where the players come in and say 'I don't want people to know the details of my transfer fee, because some of it is based on how good I turn out to be at my new club'.

    I get why fans get frustrated though, it's about information. They want to know how much we've been paid, they want to see it's 'their' market value and want to see all of that money going straight back into signing new players. And probably 2 of those 3 things won't happen in many cases.

    Of course we can wait to see what the accounts say - but that's some time later and most people wouldn't have a clue how to read them.
     
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    An exhibition.
     
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    Us fans will be pretty much the only people who don't know the fee as it will get leaked somewhere by a board member, agent or player. That passes to their friends, family etc who tell the media. It will be widely known in Football circles how much Woodrow went for and how much Morris is going for today.
     
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    I think in this modern world of shady owners and clubs being outside of FFP and going to the wall etc, full disclosure would be a good thing. As investors in the club, fans also deserve to know where their money is going when their club buys a player and how much the club receives for specific outgoings. It would need to be the same rule for all however. The undiscolsed fee just tells me there's something to hide. I understand why our club does it, because it's an option and many clubs do, so why would we want to reveal amounts when our competitors also hide behind 'undisclosed'? But a full disclosure rule may just make a potential owner think twice before taking on their next business venture and ruining another traditional football club for their own CV and ego.
     
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    I know that and it says that in the reports. But the way some present it. You'd think it was only us. Hence why I posted the reports. For those to read and gior whinging.
    Fascination is fine. Fixation is ott. That becomes tedious and boring.
     
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    They have to declare everything to the FA, including copies of the contracts, so nothing is really hidden in that regard.
     
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    When was the last time we actually disclosed a fee for a player?
     
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    Wow, you're prescient! Any idea what the lottery numbers will be on Saturday?
     

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