Upstairs interference

With Devaney playing the same way, formation and team as Collins.. and being just as unsuccessful at it.. Do we still believe that the head coach has any say over formations..
Because if whoever comes in has to play the same way.. then what will change..?

 

People who know fck all about football identifying the signings, picking the playing style, formation and the tactics.

 

Can only see our Saturdays getting worse imho

 

And that's why no head coach/ manager worth his weight won't go near the job.

 

I mean it could well be but even if not, how much would you expect Devaney to change in like 5 training sessions? Not loads of leg room with changing personnel.

 

Exactly and we’re skint as well

 

Pigeonholed recruitment of players and managers is what we've created, 1 system implemented across the entire club.

When things at a club aren't working it's usually the manager that pays the price but what happens when the formula/philosophy created above him isn't fit for purpose? Do we just keep burning through head coaches ?

 

We don't have the players for any other formation. Not sure what anyone expected.

 

Because we've ring fenced that there's one way and only one way and put all our eggs in 1 basket

 

I'd also challenge that Jordan Williams has played as RWB and RCB but is he not capable of playing RB, Josh Earl has played at Championship level as a LB but yet we can't play with a 4 at the back.
Mcatee has played wide left, striker and as a 10, Jalo capable of playing wide and cutting, yet we can't play anything other than a permutation of a 352.

Your right we can't play any other formation can't as in not allowed.

 

Even though it doesn't work

 

What do we know mate

 

Ok, i'll discuss it.

I don't really think that going to a back 4 is the problem. I agree that Williams MDG McCart Earl would probably be no worse than what we have now. It's when you go up the pitch. 4-2-3-1 also looks decent on paper with Connell, Kane sitting and Phillips in attacking midfield, but we're still stuck with the same other options, Cole/Cosgrove up front, McAtee and Cadden out wide maybe? But I think we're playing players out of position. There's no reason 3-5-2 can't work, if we get the actual tactics and patterns of play right.

 

Yep and players only way we’ll keep going

 

If we are taking about players playing out of position ask yourself why we're happy to play Jordan Williams out of his natural position RWB and move him to RCB so we can carry on with 352 but suddenly if it's mooted to him playing RB in a 4 suddenly it can't be done.

Could effectively play 433 with connell protecting and sitting, we're crying out for width in the final 3 from creative players such as Jalo and mcatee, the wingbacks offer us absolutely nothing can't beat a man, can't deliver and service and ultimately get forced to come inside or go backwards, teams then sit in and counter us down the channels meaning Williams or Earl get drawn into the wide areas leaving MDG 1 v 1 so many times.

 

We could if we were starting from preseason, but changing so much with 2 or 3 games to play is madness. I’m a big fan of 3 at the back which might make me biased but the simple fact is our central defenders are all works in progress, not the three we had last season. Personally I think that having 5 potential defenders is better than 4.

 

I think the same, I'm really sick of this lot running us how they do.
It takes away the managerial role because they 'maybe' want to be too hands on, when it's obvious to us all that they are NOT football people.
We keep joking about the idea of any world class manager/coach trying to do a job with us. But seriously, they couldn't because of the owners apparent ignorance and interference!.

 

You're right in theory except it comes with two drawbacks. 5 defenders on the pitch usually means 3 at the back and two wig backs playing up the pitch to compensate for the lack of width in midfield that the formation creates. And a back three again means less players further up the pitch and therefore means that the one place you have a spare man to pass to us next to you in defence which results in passing between the back three and increases the chances of the defence making a mistake and costing a goal. Something which this year particularly I feel has hampered the raw defenders progress rather than aided it. MDG, McCart, Earl and Williams have all gone backwards as players this season and I feel that's due to the overuse of them in defence and the unforced errors it's led to them making.

 

But we don't have 5 defenders the idea is to play out from the back get the wingbacks forward, the problem is they aren't box to box how many times do we get caught 3 v 3 at the back on the counter? And at the other end what do they create?