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  1. Tyk

    Tyketical Masterstroke Well-Known Member

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    Tyketical Masterstroke, Aug 19, 2022
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    Congratulations!
     
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    Tyketical Masterstroke Well-Known Member

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    Believe me, nothing about any of this has brought me any pleasure.
     
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    TitusMagee Well-Known Member

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    Maybe not the situation but being right clearly has as this couldn't come across as being more smug if you tried.

    The whole world was facing a situation it hadn't had to deal with in our lifetimes and nobody was sure how to deal with it. This transcends political allegiances, almost all countries did it.

    That's all I have to say about it. I'm sick of hearing about it. Everyone wanted to prevent deaths, just differed in how to do it.

    Nothing to get so wound up about for 2+ years. Let it go.
     
    TitusMagee, Aug 19, 2022
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    The big problem with this is that there's no control data to compare it with, ie the alternative universe where we had no lockdowns. How many would have died from COVID and how many would have died from other things due to the NHS being unable to cope? Lockdown was awful but I suspect that not having any would have been worse.
     
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    How do i like this more than once?
     
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    TitusMagee Well-Known Member

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    Our small team (outside the NHS) alone has been hammered by Covid this past few months with people genuinely ill from it including myself. Imagine what the NHS staffing would have been like if we'd just let it run riot. You can't remove a tumour if your surgeons are off sick.

    Talk about short sightedness.

    I remember my dad nearly dying around 1998 because of the flu pandemic bed shortage. He had an infected gall bladder that almost burst and initially got turned away despite being in agony. Luckily he got admitted a few hours later and they told him it could have killed him.
     
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    The worst thing that can be done is to sweep this under the carpet now. This needs to be front and centre of debate, we need legislation to make sure the catastrophic errors can never happen again and we need a full and rigorous public enquiry into the conduct of the Government and the advice of the CMO and CSO, with criminal convictions to follow if misconduct which has led to increased deaths is found.

    I can't help being wound up about it. I hate how debate was shut down and people villified and cost their jobs because of tHe ScIeNcE, I hate how young people's education has been compromised and most of all I hate it that braindead decisions and stupid groupthink have meant that more people died and will continue to die than needed to. As I said to JamDrop the other week, I won't stop being angry about this until we've made sure that it can never ever happen again.
     
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    This paper told you Brexit was the best thing since sliced bread, I for one don't believe a word they print.
     
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    First point it's story in the torygraph so most probably ******** especially as papers like the torygraph daily fail and express hated lockdown because it wasn't a Tory thing to do.
     
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    You behave as though a group of politicians and scientists sat round a table and debated how to **** the country as hard as possible. Nobody knows for certain what would have saved more lives, so I don't see the point in getting so angry about it. If I knew for absolute certain one way or the other, maybe I could empathise somewhat.
     
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    We need a public enquiry about the public money spent on dodgy PPE and Test Track and Trace etc but I doubt we'll get one.
     
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    I suppose suicides up, drug addiction up, depression up, cancer and other potentially fatal illness been diagnosed late, been unable to see your gp face to face all linked to lockdowns.
     
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    I’m struggling to see what the article proves in terms of ‘we told you’

    All it says is non Covid deaths are higher than Covid????
    Covid is one cause of death everything else is bunched together.

    Bit like saying BFC is the worst supported club in the UK cos it only has 8000 season ticket holders but rest of UK has a million.
     
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    Now that would result in something meaningful coming out of it.
     
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    Add this to the news reports in New Zealand and how the nation is seven times sicker due to low immune systems. It isn’t just Covid there, as cases are actually finally on the decline, but the strict lockdown rules are causing havoc right now for other respiratory illnesses.

    The CDC in America are finally starting to wain on their stance as well.
     
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    Neither solution prevented deaths and it is horrendous what impact Covid has had, especially in my field of work. It doesn't mean that it was wrong though. Both solutions result in death, its just uncertain which one would have had the fewest. We will never know.
     
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    Those pesky Chinese are still locking down wherever there’s an outbreak. Don’t they read the Daily Torygraph !!!???
     
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    True but id argue a person under 50 who isnt obese is more at risk of the other things i mentioned than covid
     
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    The deaths caused by the economic damage will continue for years.
     
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