We're currently top of the table

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by lannoy, Nov 28, 2024.

  1. lan

    lannoy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,966
    Likes Received:
    751
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    xG table that is
     

    Attached Files:

    Geddiswasguud likes this.
  2. ed1

    ed12j8w Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2015
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    632
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Shows we need a proper striker upfront. For all the abuse Watters gets we actually miss him when he’s not available.
     
    Jamo likes this.
  3. Ged

    Geddiswasguud Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2014
    Messages:
    4,579
    Likes Received:
    4,242
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I have absolutely no idea what that graph represents nor do I pretend to understand XG......no matter how many times I have it explained!!
    Anyway we are top....so I'm taking that ...thank you!:D
     
    sadbrewer likes this.
  4. DSLRed

    DSLRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2006
    Messages:
    6,981
    Likes Received:
    5,107
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    wherever I lay my overnight bag!
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Thought it was just me. I had never even heard of XG until very recently. No idea what it means.
     
    Winker and Geddiswasguud like this.
  5. dreamboy3000

    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2005
    Messages:
    58,121
    Likes Received:
    25,062
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    DB3K Towers
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    XG is your expected goals based on the chances you've had.
     
    Geddiswasguud likes this.
  6. Ged

    Geddiswasguud Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2014
    Messages:
    4,579
    Likes Received:
    4,242
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Thank you Dreamboy...so does that include any shot...you know like some rubbish pass back....or ones that go out for a throw in etc?
     
  7. Old Goat

    Old Goat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2017
    Messages:
    8,023
    Likes Received:
    14,833
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    What if it's a half chance? Or a one in a million chance? o_O
     
  8. S74 Red

    S74 Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2021
    Messages:
    1,970
    Likes Received:
    2,984
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hoyland
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Your xG for a specific shot depends on the likelihood of it being a goal.

    For example a penalty kick carries an xG of 0.79, which means there’s a 79% chance of a goal.

    If you have a speculative punt from 40 yards with the goalie on his line I would imagine the xG for that shot would be 0.01, ie. A 1% chance of scoring.

    No data is perfect but it is used a lot in football now to give a guide as to the quality of chances you are creating etc.
     
    Geddiswasguud and Old Goat like this.
  9. Old Goat

    Old Goat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2017
    Messages:
    8,023
    Likes Received:
    14,833
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Thanks for explaining that. :)

    I may be being cynical, but in my minds eye, I now have an image of a coach explaining all the various types of chances to his players and saying, "So to summarise, I don't want anyone taking shots with less than 0.8 XG. If in doubt, play it backwards."

    Just another thought... Are the chances weighted in any way for the quality of the player? e.g. Neil Redfearn would have a better chance shooting at distance than your average midfielder. And a Premier League striker might be expected to score his chance more often than a League One striker with the same type of chance.
     
    S74 Red and Geddiswasguud like this.
  10. Winker

    Winker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2017
    Messages:
    3,474
    Likes Received:
    2,862
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    RETIRED AND LOVING IT
    Location:
    Bridlington
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I looked at it an thought 1percent question, i've forwarded it on to Lee Mack.
     
    DSLRed likes this.
  11. Ged

    Geddiswasguud Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2014
    Messages:
    4,579
    Likes Received:
    4,242
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Fantastic...thank you
     
    S74 Red likes this.
  12. Ged

    Geddiswasguud Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2014
    Messages:
    4,579
    Likes Received:
    4,242
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    All good points
     
  13. S74 Red

    S74 Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2021
    Messages:
    1,970
    Likes Received:
    2,984
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hoyland
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The calculations are specific for the situation and don’t take into account the player at all.

    So if your penalty taker has a 100% record, his penalty kick will still record an xG of 0.79. Exactly the same as if I took it. Or my Nan.

    Like I say it’s imperfect. But it used as part of wider analysis / data usage. I lean on it quite a bit when I’m playing football manager but I appreciate it’s hardly the same thing!
     

Share This Page