Any comments on the latest revelations? I'm not having a go at you mate, you're certainly not responsible for anything Cardiff City do, but how long can you keep defending them? You've been on here a few times and eloquently argued the case that any club would change their colours with the amount of money that was at stake, when such funds make the difference between promotion to the Premier League and not having a club at all. Does the same argument extend to the sacking of the head of recruitment and right-hand man to the manager who is to be replaced by the chairman's son's mate? In short, how much **** are you willing to put up with before you decide that the money just isn't worth it? How many times do you have to be bent over and have it shoved up your arse before admitting your club no longer has even a modicum of dignity and is just a fat whore? Football lost its soul years ago, but many of the individual clubs are still clinging on to theirs. There have been a lot of problems at Barnsley over the last 13 years as we've struggled to come to terms with the professional game in the 21st century, but we still play in red, we still play at Oakwell and although we go through them at an alarming rate, we still let the manager hire and fire his back-room staff. We're struggling, we're a bit lost, everything is far from perfect, but we've just about managed to retain what Barnsley football club is all about. Have Cardiff City?
I'd rather be at the bottom of the fourth tier than be in the Premiership playing in blue called Barnsley FC Sea Horses or some other ****.
Great post, I was thinking of him this morning when I read what's gone on and unfortunately I don't have any sympathy for the fans that just let him change everything they were about for a few quid. Appreciate the decision and why people would choose the money but I can honestly say, hand on heart, if a bloke said he'd give Barnsley £50 million if we played in blue I'd want nothing to do with it.
We've played in blue for half the season many times. In fact isn't our away kit this season blue? One of our original kits was blue & white stripes, did the fans back then revolt because we changed to red? If our home kit was blue, we could change our away kit to red - is that any worse than having home kit red, away kit blue. Personally I'd snatch their bleedin' hands off for £50 million - at the end of the day its a bloody shirt.
"Where's Bluebrid?" - Is he a Cardiff fan from Bridlington? Sorry mate I've been caught by the spelling police missen so couldn't resist :nails:
theres alot more going on than the shirt colors at cardiff although the shirt thing is a joke as there away kit is just there old kit now so they still wear blue just as much as ever
Not just a shirt though. Our football club. My dad's football club. My granddads football club. All who saw us play in red and play at Oakwell. Yes oakwell has it's faults but it's our home. Change that and change the colour of the kit and, well, we wouldn't be barnsley any more. We would Just be a soulless piece of ***** that someone fancied a mess about with.
in a weird way Cardiff are just another MK Dons IMHO sold their souls and their Identity. But this is the way of the football future , sad innit. I know I belly ache a lot when we putin a lack lustre showing. But as another in this thread has said, its still Barnsley Football club. Its still a club of the people. I would not have been disturbed had we moved to the site at Dodworth, which was vaguely on the cards a good few years ago, but we would still have been Baarnsley in its essentials.
Is it not at the end of the day about what happens on the pitch? We haven't always played in red. We still play at Oakwell but we have 3 new stands, otherwise being at Oakwell would be a joke rather than not so. Some clubs move site for reasons that would even benefit the supporters - wanna continue to visit a shithole or enjoy a spanking new stadium down the road that serves you like a 21st century human? We have been saved from extinction by a wealthy benefactor and continue to exist by virtue of his largesse We've been in admin. We've sacked managers at a rate no doubt faster than the norm. And very few would care who was in charge and how much they spent as long as we were doing well. Paddy McCourt could be in a Civil Partnership with Flicker but as long as he performs for Youtube, who cares? To suggest that people would stop going to Oakwell just because there were backroom changes is misguided. We're hooked. There's very little dignity anywhere, and especially in football. I blame the Bloody Foreigners!! Blackburn, Chelsea, then Man City became champions and that meant that it could be blatantly seen that success, more than can be bought, indeed now almost needs to be bought. Let's not be too sanctimonious. Unless the post was a personal dig at Redbird, who admittedly twitters on here posting stuff that can sometimes seem a little out of tune with our own lot, then the answer to your own question is that the fans will put up with any kind of **** as long as it ain't on the field. Including ours.
Well I certainly wouldn't. If you change your colours, your name then you've lost your identity. And that's what supporting a football club is all about, its identity. Cardiff fans aren't supporting their club any more, they are supporting a team masked as their team that plays in their city. It's a club that is run by Malaysians that are catering for Malaysians, that's where there brand is being positioned. It's not trying to do well for the city of Cardiff or the people of Cardiff, it's a vehicle to attract interest and revenue from Malaysia. The traditional Cardiff City fan is no more than a bystander in all of this. He or she foolishly hands over their money to Vincent Tan each week to watch what is now effectively a British-based Malaysian franchise. When people say that their are two Welsh Premier League teams they're wrong. There is one. The other is a Malaysian club that plays in Wales. Bluebird will argue that they would have seen their club go bust if Vincent Tan didn't take over, but they've lost it anyway. They are too deluded to see what is happening to them. It's so much more than a colour, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Look at the bigger picture and see what a joke Cardiff City and football have become. A football club is so much more than the 11 than play on a Saturday afternoon, it's a community and so much more.
As I said, we changed our home colours. More than once I believe. We change our away colours every sesaon Trying to do well for the city of Cardiff and their supporters may well be represented by getting them into the Premier League. If we were now in the top division would Oakwell be full each week? Probably. Would the people of Barnsley who would now flock to see their team be bothered in the slightest about whether we went down a storm in (e.g.) Malaysia too? I suggest not As for community, it's 8000 worth of community. And it'd be 6000 in the division lower. And so on. And like it or not, your "community" would be 15000 or more if we had Malaysian brass. In the Premier League What exactly have they lost? Summat we'd love to find On the pitch
The current goings on are very strange - even by our standards. There's speculation that Ian Moody has been leaking stories to the press, latest being a row about non-contractual bonusses. There's also been a story saying that Vincent Tan's not happy that we've gone over budget on transfer spending this summer. Personally think that Moody's done a great job ever since he's been here - and Malky Mackay is always quick to praise him & his recruitment team. The appointment of this new guy is a joke & only goes to show the owners lack of football knowledge/background. As I've said previously, without VTs investment I don't think I'd have a club to follow. It's easy to sit back and say "we'd never put up with this etc" - but when the very real possibility of the club folding hits you, it's a no-brainer for me. And, in reality, there's little we could do about it. Plenty of ours say "I'd rather start from scratch & work our way up the leagues - as long as we play in blue. I'll always watch, whatever, wherever". Err, no you won't - I was there in the bottom division, along with 2000 others. It's the end of the world these days when we lose to Spurs, so the chances of them remaining loyal are between negligible & zero. People say that the club has lost it's identity and history - utter nonsense. It's chamged the colour of it's home shirt. Yes, it's not ideal - but not the end of the world. Do I like it? No. Can I put up with it to safeguard the future of the club? Yes. Not quite sure how you can lose the history of a club btw - and no-ones been able to explain that one. Maybe I'm just not that insecure. Every premier league club is a whore as far as I'm concerned, it's all about money. Not surprisingly, the most stiick we get is from jacks. How well their club is run & how they can hold their heads high etc. Not sure if that's the current Swansea City 2002 Ltd or Swansea City 1984 Ltd though? A club that's gone into voluntary receivership not once but twice, paying 5p in the £ to local businesses & forcing many to cease trading. Plenty of other examples like that throughout the leagues as well. We've settled with our creditors - our current debts are to board members, primarily Vincent Tan. Our level of debt before VT came on board meant that administration was not an option, it would have been liquidation. And only today the club has had planning permission agreed to expand the stadium by 5000 - and work starts later this month. How times have changed, largely for the better. There is plenty going on behind the scenes with fans wanting a return to blue btw.
Teams have change their colours throughout the years for various reasons. TBH I don't know exactly why Cardiff changed from blue to red but red does still affiliate it's self to the Welsh Red Dragon. My own team have changed their colours 3 times in our history. We were formed as Dundee Hibernian and played in Green/White for 13 years but ditched the name and colours in 1923 because of sectarianism. We then became Dundee United and played in Black and White until 1969 when after a tour of the USA playing under the name of Dallas Tornadoes in Tangerine and Blue. On returning home the club decided to retain the Tangerine, just to be unique and added the Black trim. I can't remember any one being in the least upset about it. Infact I think it was warmly welcomed. Maybe if the new colours were to be blue like our neighbours Dundee there might have been a wee riot in Tannadice Street.
Agree with most of the things you say, Bluebird, and sorry to hear of the nonsense at your club. It could be worse - look at Portsmouth.
And why were those colours changed? I bet they weren't to try and attract more Malaysian fans that's for sure. You are totally missing the point. If you're happy to sell your soul for short term gains then that says a lot about you as a person.
Fooled me cos i thought it was a play on words re hybrid i.e an offspring resulting from cross-breeding