Why is the academy run so poorly??

It seems to me like it's never been the success that we had hoped it would be as no genuine quality has been produced. What was wrong with all the coaches that the academy used to have such as Mark Smith etc. Also why is it currently been run by only one person who happens to be a physio.

Didn't a bloke from the Man Utd academy come down here a couple of months ago and say that out academy had some of the best facilities outside the premiership but was been run appaulingly and should be stripped of it's academy status.

I say this because i think that the club should try and get it up and running properly again so that we could try and produce some of our own players as a club our size may well need to do that if it's to be a long term success

Any thoughts???

 

not one person mate...

see this

http://www.barnsleyfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/WhosWhoDetail/0,,10309~135378,00.html

unless its well out of date.

It has been a success, if it turns out Flinders ends up leaving for £1M as reported, paid for itself.

You will also find that their are one or two players approaching first team football.

Without something youth wise we are fecked. completely

The acadamy hasn't been up and running that long to be fair, and you can't just suddenly find hundreds of wayne rooneys within a couple of years.

It needs to be left open and it will take care of itself.

The only time you don't need an academy is when you are like chelsea or Man Utd, who can wipe their @rses with spare £20 notes just for the fun of it

 

RE: not one person mate...

Never saw that before mate, cheers for that.

But there's no getting away from the fact that Mick Tarmey is not a professional academy coach and does anybody know where these new coaches have come from??

 

RE: not one person mate...

Why the hell is he coaching? Thought he was a pyshio!! No wonder they are bottom!!

 

RE: not one person mate...

I know one of them

Mick Steer, been at the club years, and worked wonders with some of the young un's

Just think this place needs time.

I beleive the club in general "as a whole" (**** I sound like chinny hill) is going in the right direction.

It won't happen overnight obviously, but we are doing really well

 

I believe

He has the qualifications for both a physio and a coach.

I still think we're understaffed like.

 

"so that we could try and produce some of our own players"

Flinders (£1 million pounds), Austin, Kay, Tongue, Williams, Wroe, Harban, Atkinson, Heslop, Jarman, Joynes, Laight. + more recent players come through the academy.

Flinders is wanted by Chelsea, Kay and austin are 1st team regulars and most of he other young ns e.g. Atkinson, Jarmanm Heslop are highly rated.

 

We have discused this a few months ago.

I said then I didn't know how we were keeping our Academy status and were not down graded to a Centre of Excellence.

Check ot the regs for Academy status on the FA web site.

Iv'e already said my bit on the issue so I'm not going to say much more.

If you go to www.worldclasscoaching there is an FA verifier and Coach who said on their forum that the coaching set up in a lot of premiership clubs is not as good as you would imagine. Some clubs were ignoring the FA regs and unqualified people were working in the Academies. I suspect thats the case at Oakwell. No one at the club has said what qualifications the coaches or Academy staff hold, only that they are qualified.

Academy Coaches need a minimum of the UEFA "B" and also the relevant Youth Coaching Award for the age group they are coaching. There was a ruling that you had to have the "B" Licence or be working towards it. I hope you don't run away with the idea that the best players make the best coaches. If you did a course with a group of pros you would find that some are very good and some are absolutely useless.

 

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Dave Hancock is a qualified coach , so too is Mike Tarmey.</p>


Dave has been qualified at least 12 years and Mike Tarmey was taking coaching qualifications at least 5 years ago.
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As I have said earlier I dont know what level they are qualified to. I will ask Dave if I see him.</p>



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RE: not one person mate...

Dave Hancocks quality.

I know Mark Burton. He played for club in early 90's. Suffered a career ending injury just after braking into first team.

 

Not produced much so far

This season, of the strongest first team there's only Austin that came through the ranks at Oakwell.
When we got promoted there were more (Watson, Eaden, Liddell etc) and that was before the academy. For all the money that has been spent on it, the academy has not been a good investment so far. All we seem to do is produce players for league two and non-league.

 

RE: not one person mate...

**Andy Hunt, a reyt lovely person!

 

RE: Not produced much so far

couldnt agree more. I would go as far as to say the Academy is one of, if not the, main reason we are in League 1. Produced nothing and cost millions and millions.

Gutted.

 

RE: Not produced much so far

Didn't we get £400k for Chris Barker.</p>


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He did some time with Mark Smith in the Academy.
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He wasn't really an academy product though

And I doubt he played for them much, if at all. We signed him from Alfreton in August 1999 aged 19. He made his debut for the first team only a month later and went on to be a regular that season.

The two best products of the academy are probably Rory Fallon and Jonny Parkin, but we didn't get much from them in terms of either money or service. It was well exciting looking at the academy results and seeing these two bang in the goals week in, week out. It looked like we were going to produce some proper players.

Steve Parkin allowed his namesake to leave for nowt, for reasons best known to himself, without even giving the lad a chance. He's now banging the goals in at championship level and from the highlights I've seen he looks a chuffing star. There has been talk of disciplinary problems when Johnny Parkin was here, but in my opinion if a manager has owt about him he'll take it on himself to sort those out rather than wash his hands of the problem. Although when you look at the players that Parkin brought in, Flynn and Gibbs particularly, I think that says everything you need to know about the guy's managerial skills.

When Fallon first came into the team the description of 'Bambi on Ice' wasn't far wrong. But he did improve and was just starting to do well in the lone striker role when inexplicably we sold him. It seemed particularly foolish when we replaced him with Jonathon Walters. All that money spent training the lad only for us to get rid when we had begun to reap the rewards. We got about £50 grand, which has improved to £100 grand when you include the sell-on clause. Maybe that's a fair price, but Swansea were willing to part with £300,000 for him. Time may prove him not worthy of that price tag, but had we had a bit more patience, that money that could have come to us. Or even better, we could have had a lad playing for us and banging in the goals who was a constant reminder of what a good set-up our academy can be.

 

RE: He wasn't really an academy product though

Didn't we have no choice but to sell Fallon due to being in admin.We had to accept offers for any of our players.

 

No, I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case

It was at a time when Ridsdale was in charge, after the Ridsdale/Cryne takeover, when, although we were officially still in admin, this was only due to the fact that getting all the paperwork sorted took time. From memory, it wasn't long after the Fallon sale that we exited admin. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Fallon sale had nothing to do with money or the fact that we were in admin. The main reason I believe that is that I asked Gudjon personally why we sold Fallon and he said that if he thought Fallon was going to make it as a good pro footballer, he wouldn't have sold him.

 

Is it the Academy?

As others have said, the likes of Parkin and Fallon have both moved for six-figure sums recently. Is the problem that we aren't producing the players or is the problem that we are letting them go too cheaply?

The sales of those players would probably have paid for the academy. If we can get £1million for Flinders, then that money should pay for it for a few more years.

 

I remember bringing this subject up about 3 months ago but it didn't generate much interest.If you are not getting the right youngsters into the academy you'll get nothing out.You can't put in what is not there.Whatever the reason it has been a failure by any standards.The players mentioned as successes could be picked up anywhere for free, and to think Flinders will bring in big bucks is wishfull thinking.
Successful academys are West Ham United: Rio Ferdinand-Frank Lampard-Joe Cole-Michael Carrick-Glen Johnson-Jermaine Defoe etc etc.The question is "who is supplying the Academy" and "what is happening thereafter".There has been a huge turnover in coaching staff over the years and that can't be a good thing.I know the questions but don't claim to have any answers.

 

The problem may not be with the Academy. These lads all seem to do well at Academy level, it's only when they move on to the next level that they seem to come to a dead end. However, the ones that move on to other clubs, then seem to blossom again.
Seems to me that our reserve and first team coaches may be the problem.