most likely that would be as runner up but to get through would be a very fine start for Mr Hodgson, no matter what happens after that
Re: most likely that would be as runner up I think we'll beat the other 2, but lose today. But Spain, ze Germans, and Holland didn't exactly look up to much so here's hoping the French follow suit.
Re: Ukraine may be a bit of a dark horse in the group Not "for sure". You could get into the 6-6-6-0 group finish and miss out on g/d.