Brexit means Brexit

The descent of manufacturing has certainly impacted the north and areas outside the South East more. However, the UK in mentality in large parts seems much more closely aligned with America than Europe. More, easier, newer, cheaper, more, faster, cheaper, more. That can only be achievable with very cheap imports and lesser controls on quality... and that's what the far right ultimately want. Where they try and broker deals with countries which are cheaper, allow them a slice, and the country can continue its lazy troughing of self indulgent excessive crap.

It's prevalent in many parts of the UK and it's not the base for a successful country. Agree that EEA and a Customs Union is the only logical thing that isn't catastrophe. The far right will be in uproar, but its time politicians were honest about what is achievable and what has to be avoided.

It's just a colossal mess based on needless politics that means several generations of Brits will be impacted negatively. With had our brexit death spasm as the pound fell, but as the time gets closer and the tough and correct decisions are avoided, the ship is being abandoned steadily.

 

Do you walk around with blinkers on, oblivious?

To be fair I believe you live on the Isle of Man, so neither in the U.K. nor the eu.

We are clearly from completely different standpoints.

 

Of coarse we’re affectted we have to mirror the outcome for the British isles

 

That’s your opinion and you’re trying to pass it off as fact , which is wrong

 

We don't have a great deal left as it is when you look at all the job losses an closures. Similar to the cutlery industry that died, many are overseas importing stockholders now and very few forgers still remain.

Luxembourg for Finance and Banking and EU regulatory bodies, Germany for Engineering, Banking and Sciences, Italy for design, manufacturing and electronics, Estonia for technology, AI and sciences, Germany, Austria and Switzerland for Pharma. There is massive building going on across Europe from faster trains between countries, new airports, redevelopment of ports, tramways and bridges. That's before you see the huge new business parks and new streets developed near airports to take advantage of new incoming business and travellers.

We've not just missed the boat with much of that development, brexit means we've aided our EU allies in their growth, development, opportunity and future prosperity.

 

Hold on, you just said everyone knew what would happen when they voted because it had all been agreed?

 

A very good question. Take a trawl through what used to be British industry and there are some surprises. We own very little. The days when we had a captive market in the colonies have long gone. For example, we built railways for the world. Now we have to import locomotives from Canada, the USA and other unlikely places because we have lost the skills. Doncaster Railway Works was demolished several years ago and is being built on at present. As far as I can work out, our biggest "seller" abroad is the financial sector, and that is being sized up for moves to Paris and Frankfurt by the big operators. If/when we pull out, I fear that we will be in a small boat adrift on rough seas, with our remaining traditional ally across the Atlantic in the hands of a dysfunctional administration that is capable of acting on a whim and without thought.

 

But IoM is already not in the EU and doesn't have to follow all the UKs rules. So actually, the Isle of Man doesn't have to mirror the outcome for the UK at all.

 

Don't forget Dublin. Lots of big developments along the waterfront and the old Docklands now taken over fully by banking clients currently based in London. The waiting list for estate agent appointments in Wicklow is heading towards the start of next year. Fantastic city that will do great business out of Brexit.

 

Exactly numpty everyone knew we were leaving the Eu , single market etc, you awake yet

 

So why does it sa on my passport Eu British islands iom, we have to piggy back on what the Uk is or gets
So actually it does affect us ,and that knows nowt lad, anyway I’m goin back to the TT great racing here

 

You might want to ask your government about that. That isn't what they think, although they do have a data adequacy agreement with the EU, while the UK doesn't and is unlikely to (as does Jersey and Guernsey).

 

You really are a case aren’t you. Someone pulls you up over a point and you resort to insults. Would you discuss/ debate in this way face to face? I can only concur that you are a coward hiding behind a keyboard.

 

Given all the furore and lack of agreement we don’t know - even now - whether we will actually fully leave the single market or the customs union, so exactly how did ‘everyone’ know this before?

Just because that’s how you interpreted it doesn’t mean everyone did. Or that it is what will happen.

It’s you passing off your opinions as fact, having accused me of that in an earlier post.

 

As explained in the first part of the thread which you can verify if your bothered, Cameron said it on numerous occasions whilst batting for the Remainers on Marr and many more , whilst addressing the country

 

You can give me a call if you want

 

I think you’ll find it is , hello Mcfly