All these remoaners

I hope he's using hands free.

By this time he should be getting near Uranus

 

Not sure this is true . Sounds like neo liberalism ..
Why have we also got a massive unemployed population .. yet need more under paid immigrant workers to pick potatoes or whatever..?
Spain is something like 30% ue rate .. 50% in the under 30 age group.
Why would they need mass immigration.
This slating your average working class anti eu voter for voting brexit goes a bit far . Forgetting about the Far Right types for a minute..

 

THE DOOR IS OPEN

Most of us are open minded. BETTER THAT YOU GO.

 

Work it out. This is back of the *** packet maths, but you can do it yourself - No guarantees this isn't wrong as I'm watching tv and trying to finish my mid-year appraisal

I think its an extra 5 million pensioners over the next five years. 5,000,000 x £160/week x 52 = £41.6bn extra per year at the end of that period. Some of the existing will die, but you are still looking at potentially needing an extra £40bn to cover it, without taking into accounts any raises over that time. You could reduce that by say, 25% due to natural wastage, so £30bn ballpark. Not including extra healthcare, social care, etc.

If you believe the government, there are 32 million employed at the moment, so that's an average extra tax charge of £1k/year for each worker *if* employment stays the same, not including the tax increases for the NHS Brexit Dividend.

Or, £30bn is £5k/year for about 6 million extra workers (less extra corporation tax, etc). That works out somewhere upwards of one million extra workers needed each year.

Its going to get damn expensive for the tax payers soon, or going to need a lot more people working.

 

I suspect there is no point being factual or logical with people like this. It’s the internet equivalent of banging your head against a thick brick wall.

 

Yes we are a nation of immigrants but most of them came here over 2000 years not in the huge numbers who are arriving every year now.

 

When were you ever factual and logical.

 

lol.Northerners are a mix of Celts pre Celts ..and Angle and Scandinavian invaders
Doubt They needed a blue passport bk then ..

 

He went to a country that takes people they need ,not just whoever turns up.

 

You are only about 1800 years out with that. Most of the immigration was within the last 200 years. Significant amounts from Ireland in the 1800s, and the old Empire in the 1900s onwards and now the EU in the 2000s.

 

Serious question.

One I’ve asked many times but have yet to get a sensible answer to.

To those who voted leave, having seen the fact that the campaign to convince them to do so has been admitted to be made of many lies, having seen the carnage of the last two years - what are we gaining?

Other than ‘we won, get over it’, ‘it’s democracy’ and ‘taking back control’ (as if we will...), what exactly is there to celebrate?

Call me a remoaner, and I did vote remain, but what exactly on the positive side will happen? I can see a whole barrel of issues and not one benefit.

 

So you fight to change the system, not make the entire country poorer by leaving. There has probably never been a better time to get consensus within the EU. Putting thousands out of work & signing our regions death certificate seems an odd solution.

I'm a remainer but I can see that the issue of immigration is a sore point for a lot of people. Personally I think that immigration has done far more good for this country than harm, but I recognise that that's not the view held by others.
I can see that there is an issue whereby (mainly white) working class people feel that they have been forgotten by their own country. The answer to that problem does not lie in walking away from the EU. It defies logic to think that we can go out into the global market and get better trade deals as a single country of 70 million than we can as a block of 600 million. The country will undoubtedly be poorer and logic (and capitalism) would suggest that the people who will bear the brunt of that is the same white working class who want to leave.
I get that they are angry, but they are making a protest that logic suggests will only make things worse for them. Imagine if we were entering a trade war with Trump's america on our own, there is only one way that is going to end & it's not with a better deal for us.

 

It's the biggest smokescreen in history.
Nothing will change ..Nothing has .. the UK will be in the same place with the eu .. just unable to influence decision making.. maybe they'll join the EEA.

 

So back where we were, but without the vetos and no say in any rules. Good times.

 

2000 years ago you are way out given it’s actually within the last 200 years but as I said it’s pointless tying to be logical about Brexit with the true believers. It’s like trying to talk logically with a Scientologist.

 

Unless it all goes well and works a treat then we’ll be champs of the world yyyyeeeeehaaaaw

 

If you think our tech is "better" you should perhaps take a visit to Estonia, Latvia or Luxembourg. Who with much lesser populations are among world leaders in tech innovations and hosting international conferences. Estonia in particular is highly impressive in its use of tech. And the growing Microsoft office in Luxembourg shows there is significant tech growth there, not just the large growth in banking representation.

 

These are the facts...

 

Wonderful that sensible debate can be had to allow people to make up their own minds.

Sadly facts are rarely put into the public domain freely, and when they are, the heavily financed spinners get to work to muddy waters and flare division.