Dickie Davis resigns as Tory Brexit Secretary

I loved world of sport.

 

Although I agree with everything you have posted, I will add that although the meeting at Chequers to thrash out the plan and get the party all on the same page I’d suggest it’s 2 years too late. The lack of planning by this government has been a disgrace. We are one year away from Armageddon and they are in total disarray.

This has been a shambles from day 1, it isn’t new.

Cameron shouldn’t have been allowed to campaign for either side. He should have been impartial to it and should have put a team together to work on all the alternative solutions to leave or remain.

Due to this not happening the information that came out was misleading and full of emotive language rather than facts.

We are now bordering on being a country of lemmings. We know that the cliff edge is coming and we’re about to throw ourselves off to impending death but we seem hell bent on doing it. Absolute ******* madness.

Strong and stable my ******* arse.

 

The implosion begins.

Pleasing.

 

Completely agree. It took 2 years to get 26 cabinet members to agree a position, and it unravel just 48 hours later. It took 27 countries just months to set out a detailed negotiating position, outline a very detailed white paper, publish it openly and have it ratified by every country.

 

I'm not sure it is pleasing when you consider what may follow. If this pans out to a leadership contest (which I think it will), the names most likely to push hard for election are Johnson, Gove, Davies and Mogg. They won't want a GE as it would be more likely to dilute their vote, though if they saw the polling with a hard right leader, the UKIP vote could swing to their cause which didn't really happen last time. That would mean complete exit without any deal, I'm sure of it.

So implosion may at first seem a good thing... til you see what you're left with.

 

In all fairness, the Leave campaign was run under a veil of lies, misrepresentation of facts and questionable funding.

If that vote was for a general election, criminal charges probably would have been brought.

 

The majority of the electorate didn't vote for Brexit

 

Don’t think you’re giving the great British public the respect they deserve . Got to be some kind of idiot not to know if we left the EU we were leaving the customs union , single market etc ! Some folk just want to argue black’s white but hey whatever floats your boat . The conservatives have made an absolute pigs ear of these negotiations but I’m not having Starmers version where we would be royally Fooked ‘

 

In that case I know a lot of idiots!!

 

Aye don’t we all !

 

For years I thought that the words were::
Somewhere over a rainbow
Weigh a pie

 

Thank you for your erudite and insightful contribution to the thread.

P.S. “It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”
Mark Twain

 

I firmly believe the electorate gets the government it deserves. So yes, there are many idiots in this country, many who pick up a right wing paper and think it serves their interests without understanding what choices they are making and how it will impact on them.

Exiting the European Union is the single most complicated thing this country has ever done. That all sides at the outset of the referendum didn't make this clear is a mixture of incompetence and dishonesty.

The question was a complicated one and the referendum wasn't structured correctly to assess this, not that we should have been allowed to. The electorate isn't qualified to make such decisions because its just not clever enough or aware enough of every aspect of such a huge decision. Anyone who tries to dumb this down is an idiot. Unpicking decades of legal text alone is a massive undertaking, creating structures to underpin our daily activities another. But in many quarters you hear ignorant arguments of banal nonsensical soundbites that have been tested to death or peer groups to ensure they resonate loudly in empty heads to drown out dissent and even worse, common sense.

So no, I don't generally respect the English public.

 

I agree that the vast majority aren’t knowledgeable to make decisions of such importance, that’s why we have a parliament, a government. What worries me is that someone who is well informed, has the knowledge, has just resigned from the process because he thinks it’s wrong

 

Out of the mouths!
I’d wager a year’s pension that the vast majority of people who voted (on either side) had not a clue about the customs union or single market. Why would they? Does that make them idiots?
We have a system that depends upon these decisions being made by parliament. Any referendum undermines that process and Cameron ought to be rightly condemned by future historians for placing his interests in the Conservative party above what was needed as a Prime Minister.
Everything that has happened since the vote has been a total shambles. It is notable for the one consistent theme: that those especially responsible for this mess walk away from the **** they’ve made.

 

The question was :- "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
The plan set out by Maggie May does indeed involve us leaving the EU March next year. What the question failed to spell out,and indeed whole leave campaign failed to spell out is what leaving the EU actually meant. So, it means 17 million different things to the 17 million people who voted for it. Hence why its such a massive cluster f*ck.

 

You can wager as much as you want , we happen to live in a democracy and you and others didn’t get the outcome you wanted . It’s really simple , we had a majority to leave the EU and now all of a sudden there’s starmer Clegg Soubry etc wanting another vote and then maybe another until they get what they want . What’s Jezzas stance on the EU ? Well documented what your glorious saviour really thinks .

 

DD was out of his depths and didn't understand the technical details - he has resigned to try and wash his hands of the last 2 years when he was in charge, like a rat leaving the sinking ship.

 

It is now July and the ex-minister for exiting the EU has done a grand total of four days actual work. Hes threatened to quit more times than days hes spent negotiating on behalf of the country.

I was quite restrained. I did think of several other choice expletives and insults for someone so unworthy of respect.

 

He is a proven liar, fantastist, lazy (where exactly are the 57 impact reports he was producing last year), narcissistic and he is more concerned with his own pleonexian ambitians than for the future of the country.

It would not surprise me if his resignation now was more about his interests in service companies than any kind of moral stand.