This Group Of Players

We will but I have to say I find your post beyond ludicrous.

 

Ah. Common sense. The natural intelligence that is believed to be available to all rational people. So it’s common sense now because someone agrees with your viewpoint? I’m not sure it’s “common” when the majority of people seem to disagree. Unless you hold a higher position of rational thought than the majority of your fellow posters.

Interestingly if someone disagrees with your point of view you seem to think they are “white knights” or lacking of “common sense”. Almost as if the only opinion valid is your own. Yet you seem most put out if others disagree with your opinion. Its rare for you to demonstrate the ability to acknowledge or even see another’s point of view. Something you get most upset about when others are unable to see your viewpoint.

I’ll get back in my box now and search for that common sense you talk of.

 

Yes morais wasn't very good but he inherited the squad. The players gave in far too easy at times but it was another level to what most were used to and that's the downside to having a young squad with no leaders. Another man also has to take a large percentage of the blame. Poor tactics, playing players out of position going 7 games without scoring from open play under the man. They was only so long he could keep passing the book and diverting the blame so he jumped the sinking ship.

 

Well done, worst post of 2018.

And I'm including Tyrones.

 

But I haven't mentioned the coach. This about the players. There's no need to reserve your judgement as you've probably seen them play at least 23 times. You can form an opinion based on that.

The questions are is the standard League One suitably low enough and can the new manager get enough out of them.

 

If you actually had an opinion worth saying you would say why you disagree. But you can't. So you come out with this super beige *****.

People like you are killing this forum.

*This is quoting Vesp77 - for some reasons his posts aren't showing.

 

Have a look at the post from Vesp77. Everything that is wrong with this board.

 

My opinion is probably same as most folk on here.

New season, clean slate, give them a fukcing chance and actually get behind your team.

Your relentless negativity and determination to wind folk up is what's actually killing decent conversation.

 

Erm, you ok? I didn't say that...

 

Conan's reply with regard to common sense was to Mario Kempes. Mario didn't actually agree with Conan, he just addressed the point in hand rather than attack the poster. He conceded that Conan had a point that some performances were spineless, but also stated that a poor managerial appointment was a huge contributing factor to our season. His conclusion was that it's now a new season and he is feeling positive about it, which is polar opposite to Conan really.

I get the impression Conan said Mario has common sense because Mario actually took the time to give an opinion, to debate a point on a forum, not just deride the contributor who gave his opinion.

 

I have to agree with Conan tbh, these players have a lot to prove. They will know that and hopefully can step up in a lower division. If they think they’re too good for League One, they’ll get a rude awakening. Morais was dreadful, but some of the players were too...

 

Im not sure I understand the venom being aimed at conan here. Morais was a disappointing appointment, everyone can see that, but the players also need to shoulder the blame aswell. When they were required to stand up and be counted they rarely did, and instead hid behind the failings of the manager. They may not have understood what he was trying to do, or may not even have liked the bloke but once they crossed that white line they should have done everything they possibly could to try and rectify a bad situation but instead they seemed to down tools and accept their fate.

How this season goes, for me, depends on the start we have. Get off to a flier and it could well be a good season. A poor start and last seasons failings could quickly come back and haunt the team, and then it could all go tits up very quickly.

 

And my point was that provided the original poster agrees with a post then he is willing to engage in debate. Or deem the poster a holder of common sense. If not then he will often decree the board “ruined” or full of “white knights” or make a statement such as “let’s park it”. Thereby killing the “debate” that is so sought after.

I am glad the board still has some noble characters to defend others honour. I would call them white knights but believe that is now an insult.

 

not bad for a crab !. fly army x

 

The players can't hide from some particularly woeful performances of last season. Lack of talent? Lack of commitment? Lack of self confidence? However, to counter balance that, I seem to recall criticism of the players & Head Coach two years ago after promotion when we went nearly three months without winning a league game (with the exception of the victory over Brentford). "Last season is history and counts for nothing" was the argument. If this was the rule then, surely it's the rule now?
However, I thought it was a daft argument then, as it is now. Those performances from the previous season automatically dictated what Division the team was/is currently playing in, therefore having a relevance.
I can understand and appreciate the apprehension that some have for the coming season. I've taken the approach of wiping the slate clean with the players under the new Head Coach and playing at a lower level. Add to this my normal preseason optimism and I can't wait for Saturday.

 

I know, it even shocked me!

 

I think you've got it wrong. Conan claims the board is ruined when there are contributions like "Well done, worst post of 2018". And I agree with him wholeheartedly. What is that adding? It's an attempt to ridicule and belittle the contributor, an attempt to shut down anything that questions the club in any way. And it's rife on here. There are a number of people who post on this forum now whose only contribution is an attempt to shut down debate, to block opinion. If you don't subscribe to the view that we're going to walk the league and that everything is just lovely then you must be ridiculed, you must be stopped from expressing that view point.

That's not to say Conan isn't pessimistic. He is. He claims it's realism, but it's not it's pessimism. I am pessimistic about our chances this season. I fully admit that. I've given my reasons why, but I can't call it realism because I don't know what is going to happen. In other seasons I've been very optimistic, sometimes, it has turned out, with good cause, sometimes not. But just because a person is pessimistic it doesn't mean the points made aren't valid.

Making valid points that aren't necessarily predicting massive success shouldn't kill debate. It should promote it. It always used to. Attacking the contributor rather than the addressing the point is killing debate and this forum really has gone down the pan because of this.

A really good example is this

http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/well-that-prediction-was-wrong.270238/

Young Nudger has been like a kid in a sweet shop since the new owners took over. He's got everything he ever wanted for the club - rich owners who can 'prime the pump' as he likes to call it. Everything he says is positive. He's constantly posting about how we' can now sign great players, how we're now a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds. He has every belief in the current squad, believing we should have actually been challenging for promotion last season if we had the right manager. He's predicted promotion this year and a 4-0 victory at home to Oxford on Saturday. I don't agree with him, but he's insanely positive.

He makes one introspective post about how he may be wrong about something. His prediction looks like it might wrong. Something he thought would happen hasn't gone that way. It's not an attack on anyone else, just him feeling a little disappointed after months of optimism. Look at the first reply he receives. It's relentless, in every thread that could be even remotely taken as straying from the accepted view, you get that.

Conan is bang on highlighting this. I don't agree with Conan a lot of the time, but at least he posts up his opinion on football instead of this... I don't even know how to describe it. Conan calls it beige. I think it's like trying to converse with the Stepford Wives or those replaced in Invasion of the Body snatchers. People with no opinion screaming at you for having one.

 

I have to say you're on top form today and saving me the bother of saying exactly this.

You're probably right about the pessimism too.

 

You want to try it one day Conan , its fun !

 

Fair enough, see where you’re coming from and agree it’s not the most engaged thread to read.

I wouldn’t particular say it is killing the board any more than I would say that Conan’s oft repeated view on ownership of the club, Nudgers repeated rants about our French CEO, Hemsworths once regular attacks on Bobby, Steele or anything German or Tyrone’s oft unreadable or conflicted outbursts kill the board. Mildly irritating but not terminal. People chose to engage or ignore.

I feel if I was to find one of those killed the board I would probably have to think the others did too. I don’t find any of them particularly weighty enough to do that. But see why many others do.