Raab gone

Nose, spite, face.

 

That's what we will have by remaining...

Way I see it.... Hold a general election, clearly stand on a platform of leaving or remaining, no reason for a referendum when an election can sorth this out and put a majority in place to deliver. See where the votes now stand.. It won't be to remain..

 

A GE does not answer a question of leave or remain. It's a complex choice with people choosing for diverse reasons, not all Brexit related. It's about as effective at showing the meaning of the people as a tombola draw.

 

Well seeing it as the most important decision in our history, it should be sorted by a general election... At least that would force Corbyn to put his cards on the table either way, the lying little sausage.

 

Seeing as its the most important question in our history, and on the basis that the existing voting mechanism is not fit for purpose and has skewed representation, a GE is the last thing that would provide an accurate outcome whether people wanted to remain, accept the deal or leave without a deal.

 

The trouble is you're putting three options on the table, one of which has been rejected already...essentially that method would be designed to provide every Remainer another chance to vote for their June 2016 option and split the Leave vote between the second two.

 

Not at all. Your first question is leave/remain. 2nd question is in the event of leave, what option do you want

It's not complex and is the form used in mayoral elections on a first and second preference ballot.

 

The first question though is just to re-run the 2016 referendum....however many questions you add to the equation, question one has been answered.

 

Not since the proposed deal has been created. It's completely different to 2 years ago. The only reason people would suppress a second vote is fear of losing. You cant have a vote on the leave choices without offering to stay too, particularly the deal she's putting forward is fairly close to remaining, without the deeper benefits and membership.

 

That in my view is a disingenuous position. Imagine for a second that you were elected to be a Councillor or MP...and before you'd ever taken your seat people opposed to you at the time asked for another election for whatever reason...you wouldn't resign your seat and have a second election surely?

 

Well we had a GE in 2015, 2017 and people are calling for one in 2018 or 2019. And the 2017 despite a fixed term being set in statute.

I simply have a stance that if more evidence, more opinion comes forward that moves things along, then its undemocratic not to ask a question of the public when they were used in the first place.

I won't go there, but you could be petty and suggest that we've had a vote to stay in the EU in 1975 with a far greater majority to stay in. I understand that's outdated. The last 2 years have changed things massively.

To say its democratic when it suits, just isn't a valid standpoint in my opinion. But its a well researched series of buzz words that the right of politics have pushed into the public domain to infer a lack of democracy. We all know full well if it had been such a fine margin the other way, the Moggs, Farages (who on TV now just said its the worst deal ever... and in the next breath blurts out he's not read it all anyway) and Bones would be up in arms that such a large number of people.

Its a mess and the divisions wont heal for a long long time, irrespective of what happens.

 

Absolute rubbish... all in the pockets of big business. And what they want is free movement and cheap labour. So well done everyone. You have no idea where you actually live and who rules over you.

 

If Raab is now stating that it’s not the right deal, what exactly did he do as the Brexit Secretary? Surely he must have been at, and involved in all the meetings that have resulted in chaos we have now: why didn’t he stand his corner if he thought the end product was wrong?