Brexit confusion - Scottish fishermen

Oh bloody hell, another Brexit thread.

 

Slight tangent... I don't know if anyone watched Newsnight a couple of days ago where they had various MP's pitching their Brexit outcome preference to a very small group of "real people". There was Nicky Morgan and Zahawi but cant recall the other 3.

Anyway... turns out one of the "real" people, a very vocal Theresa May advocate, a vicar called Lynn... is actually an actress called Marina Hayter.

https://www.mandy.com/actor/profile/marina-hayter

Someone suggested to me that she'd been on something else just a few days before with a similar stance of supporting May. Whether some lobby, or someone close to working on the deal, an aide of some sort.... that's shady, low, and if with intent... disgusting beyond words. I've long suspected there have been plants on bbcqt (the Barnsley audience was telling), but newsnight.… really poor form.

 

It's good debate as long as it's sensible lol..

 

I just think that with all the political posturing / point scoring in the commons. Sheer stupidity of letting the EU know exactly what to expect before negotiations, hence handing over any advantage to them. They may well have been going to concede more in terms of a deal but because it was telegraphed in such a manner, they knew they could start hard and concede less.. With that in mind it was impossible to secure any good deal. I do believe that if we could have secured a free trading relationship, shared on things like security and standards, we could have reaped benefits by also trading with the rest of the world in a balanced way, giving us a good economic outlook maybe better than just remaining in the EU. As much as I hate these experts forecasts, I'm inclined to believe that if May's deal ties our hands as it seemingly will, then we will endure an unacceptable hit in terms of our economy.. So I'm going to have to resign myself to where we end up, which will be remaining.

 

Well it took us over 9 months to appoint a legal counsel (and a very under qualified, inexperienced, and cheap relatively speaking). I don't know if they stuck it out or if they've been replaced mind you The starting point was asking the UK what it wanted. I'm not sure they still know. I'm not sure Davies having token meetings of bluster were helpful... all 4 instances in his tenure. I'm not sure Raab abdicating responsibility after his first few weeks was helpful either.

Ultimately the EU has been doing all the hard work and the UK have abdicated all responsibility, so we have a deal that appeases nobody and will leave us worse off without any say so.

I still think the only solution is a peoples vote... despite what the actors on newsnight are trying to influence me to think.

 

Just because she's an actor, doesn't mean she was paid by anyone 'official'.

I could hire an actor tomorrow to go and say anything I want, on any audience participation show.

Not saying this is the case, but just saying it's a possibility. Let's not assume the worst.

 

Like being part of the EU therefore being in a position to have input into how it works.

 

To get on 2 political programmes, playing a part and lying about their true identity.... that's dodgy. By the individual as a minimum... but i'd be very surprised if it wasn't more sinister still. Modern politics.

 

Exactly

 

Yup. You got it in one. Plus a lot of fishermen vote Tory. Deserve all they get.

 

I’ve no wish to debate the relative merits of this whole charade but I’ve a problem with 2 things.

I’ve yet to see anyone on the leave side say how this will actually benefit, in real terms I mean not some soundbite that leave means leave or we can “take control” etc.

And secondly I accept some experts have ulterior motives but leave voters have been very quick to decide the experts have no idea and they know best.

Strange times.

 

While in Wroclaw, I watched a news channel called Euronews, only briefly. But it was interesting to listen to Brexit news from a different perspective and without the huge bias Sky and the BBC portray. The prism to view it through is one of wonder as to why after 2+ years the UK still cant have a position... yet 27 countries in less than an hour had ratified the deal put forward by its negotiator. It then covered interviews with Barnier Tusk, Macron and Juncker, all saying this is the best deal. You've agreed it, it's negotiated and approved.

We also had a few chats, one quite late at night when a young polish lad detected we were English. Quite sweet that he said we were still friends and that Europe had wonderful harmony, so many countries, together, friends, helping and working with each other.

That's a very different slant to just about any conversation in the uk, and much of it is due to the mass swathe of media, written and verbal, and the tories constant tirades down the years, that create a picture of this underhand deceitful beast forcing us to do things we should never ever surrender.

But yes, totally agree, all beyond ridiculous.... and if we do exit, I wonder how long it will take before we re-enter on much worse terms with no veto on anything, and we accept, the best way for everyones livelihoods is Europe.

 

My German is rubbish but even I understand the headline and it's not wrong

 

will always vote out

 

If the whole thing had been sorted by realistic and thoughtful debate as yourself and MDG, we probably wouldn’t be in this mess. Unfortunately it was easier for politicians to look for a popularity contest. People from both sides have fallen for rhetoric, ifs, buts and maybes.

 

Programmes are vetted would you let your audience member pretend to be a vicar?

 

This Irish MEP gives a clue.
https://www.thejournal.ie/luke-flanagan-ttip-documents-2751301-May2016/

 

Silly... Silly lovely person .