Heidi Allen is from Notton originally

Didn’t vote for her, because she was a Tory, but she is a top MP for representing her constituents. South Cambs was strongly remain as am I. If there is a by-election she will get my vote.

 

That’s because Belgium has a unique ethnic problem where there are two ethnicity’s of roughly equal size that both vote in their own interests. The Flemish and the other one that’s name escapes me. Anyway, it’s an example where if we had PR it wouldn’t be a problem we’d have to face in Britain.

 

No. The Lib Dem’s are a third party that after 2015 has had far too much baggage to be electorally relevant. That’s why this new Independent Group are already out performing them polls wise.

 

The Walloons. I love Belgium and you're absolutely right, how distinct the differences between effectively the Dutch and French parts are sizeable, and then you get both combining pretty harmoniously in Brussels that straddles the line. Fascinating country. I've mainly been in the north, less so in the Walloonian south, but well worth travelling around to see the distinct variances between characteristics and behaviours.

 

I think you missed my point. The lib debs are a centrist party, they campaign to cancel Brexit which they all want and yet none of the new so called independent group have made reference to the libs. I agree the Lib Dem’s are irrelevant that’s why they are steering clear, as per my other post, but If they want what’s already there have the courage to align themselves with it or call a by election. They were all elected on a party’s manifesto to which they claim they can’t now support.

 

I can see the reasoning for calling for by elections. But I do think there is true difference in how the parties are shifting and how these MPs views haven't. I actually think they should be congratulated for doing a very brave thing in public glare at a time of such fervent hostility to pro Europeans who hold a centrist view. They could easily have stayed where they were and let their parties bully and threaten every day of the week... can you imagine, in your workplace, if every day you were bullied and told you would lose your job soon? Yet somehow in this day and age, such behaviour is allowed in Westminster. Anywhere else it wouldn't go unpunished.

But now, they are subject to claims, satire ridicule, posturing and further threats, bullying and online abuse, that they could easily have avoided.

I'm willing to give them time and see what they come to and if their views, policies and beliefs more closely mirror mine than any other party, then I reserve the right to vote for them.

 

It isn't. They are merely trending at the moment.

 

Aye, but to get a properly representative coalition (something I'm generally in favour of) then we need a proper PR system, not the outdated FPTP nonsense.

 

Fully agree. Whatever else you say about the defectors they've been prepared to commit political suicide to do what they believe in. Can't see much chance of any of them being elected unless they really have triggered a much needed shift in British politics.
It's refreshing they should out country ahead of personal and party ambitions. It's about time all politicians started doing what's best for the country instead of grubbily chasing or hanging on to power whatever the cost.

 

I'm fully behind PR. It is crazy we have this archaic system. Under PR the parties would break up & some sort of democratic consensus would emerge.

It is one of the things I disagree with with current Labour policy. The anti semitism crap it bullsh!te. People that cannot see that Israel is a right wing puppet state controlled by the USA to look after it's oil & military interests are either naive or plain stupid.

 

Not overly.

 

That would be true if they called elections to defend their Thatcherite views but not us they don’t.

 

I've no idea on the political credentials or beliefs of any of them jv. I presume they all believe brexit is a disaster in waiting though and are willing to risk the end of their political careers to avert it.

 

As far as I am aware most are up for re selection so I don't think most of them have much to loose . Anna soubry has been blaming ukippers joining the party for hers ( expect stories of sexism and racism in the coming weeks ) . The lass from Liverpool has been deselected by local labour members and she has sighted anti semetism as the reason (which has happened as far as I am aware ) although she has failed to mention when she joined in 2006 she was in a relationship with a certain Ewan Blair ( nothing to see here , move along). It all could be a case of racism , sexism and anti semetism or it could be a case of local residents sick to the back teeth of Career politicians .

 

Seems odd that people promoting a PV don’t want to give the people a vote about whether they are happy that they have jumped ship. Clinging onto the gravy train does not equate to morals.

 

Neither does clinging onto your party whip and safety of your seat despite the personal belief that doing so will send your country down the tubes.
Stick with the party line and do **** all while the ship sinks?