Donald Trump

What America needs is Bernie Sanders. They would never elect him.
That leaves Biden and much the same corrupt status quo or Trump with the status quo with additional Republican total lack of morality and social conscience thrown in. It's a horrendous dilemma. The only hope is that Biden might edge things slightly towards a vote for a progressive in the future but i'm afraid it's a forlorn hope.
The best thing would be a day where California and New York reach their wits end and secede.

 

You can't really switch the question as there isn't a democratic president in power to apply it to. If there were I don't think it would be higher and I wouldn't say it was a good thing if it was higher.

 

There are Americans who like what the Republicans do. They're the ones who have money or are making money and haven't hit hard times in terms of hard times for their business or ill health.
They vote their pocket book. In other words I'm alright Jack.
look at his record on
Personal wealth protection. Regulation of financial advice.
Regulation of the banks.
Environmental protection
Health and safety at work
Climate change
Tax breaks for the rich
Validation of religious bigotry
etc etc. I could go on but i feel I'm wasting my time.

It comes down to whether people want a fair society with a social conscience or they want to screw everyone else as long as they're ok.

 

Bernie had his chance and folded . His little speech in the senate was nothing more than theatre . My only hope is Americans realize this and act accordingly . Some of the stories coming out of the treatment of Amazon workers during this pandemic are truly horrific . I just hope they all down tools and go home because that's the only way the citizens of America are going to defeat the monstosity that is the US political system .

 

Well yeah, because making judgments on someone's ability to ever be an effective president based on actual evidence such as past actions is understandable. I think it's justifiable to say you will never support a president who talked of grabbing women by the pussy and mocked a disabled reporter. Giving him carte blanche in respect of future unknown actions is entirely different and absolutely mental.

 

In answer to your question , walking away from the TPP which would have seen an even greater erosion of US living standards. Apart from that pretty much nothing , but I'd say the same for every US president who preceded him in the last 40 years .

 

Obama threw 5 million families out of their homes while simultaneously bailing the banks to the tune of trillions back in 2008, even though he wasn't elected President until November 2008 and didn't start his term until the end of January 2009. George W Bush signed the Bank Bailout bill into law.

https://www.thebalance.com/what-was-the-bank-bailout-bill-3305675

 

No, making a decision never to vote for Trump is not deciding that you will always vote democrat.

To me people saying they will never vote tory/labour is somewhat closed minded, but far more understandable than someone saying they will always vote tory/Labour no matter what.

 

Obama put in place regulations to ensure the banks could never repeat the same mistakes that led to the crash.
Trump has reversed nearly all of them.

 

Well it happened around 2010 ish . I just used the 2008 year so you understood that I was on about the last financial crash . As for bush signing the bank bailout bill . The Dems had complete control over the house / senate and the presidency in 2009 , they could have repealed but did nt . Tells you all you need to know . This whole trump bad Dems good narrative needs consigning to the dustbin where it belongs . Both parties are corrupt ; 2 party system ; one party rule .

 

He says one irresponsible thing after another and sets a very bad example as leader of the world's biggest democracy. These are not paper misquotes, I've seen and heard them come out of his mouth.

 

Actually the more complete transcript, including some vitally important further context (and unfortunately some of his usual stop-start rambling), is this:

‘We are stronger, we are better, but while we are building a great future, the radical left Democrats in Washington are trying to burn it all down. They have spent the last three years, and I can even go further than that, three years since the election, but we go before the election, working to erase your ballots and overthrow our democracy. But with your help, we have exposed the far left’s corruption and defeated their sinister schemes and let’s see what happens in the coming months. Let’s watch. Let’s just watch. Very dishonest people. Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, “How’s President Trump doing?” They go, “Oh, not good, not good.” They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa. They can’t even count. No, they can’t. They can’t count their votes. One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We have 15 people in this massive country and because of the fact that we went early. We went early, we could have had a lot more than that. We’re doing great. Our country is doing so great. We are so unified. We are so unified. The Republican party has never ever been unified like it is now. There has never been a movement in the history of our country like we have now. Never been a movement. So a statistic that we want to talk about, go ahead. Say USA. It’s okay. USA. So a number that nobody heard of, that I heard of recently and I was shocked to hear it, 35,000 people on average die each year from the flu. Did anyone know that? 35,000, that’s a lot of people. It could go to 100,000, it could be 27,000. They say usually a minimum of 27, goes up to 100,000 people a year die. And so far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States. Nobody. And it doesn’t mean we won’t and we are totally prepared.’

In order to come away from that with the conclusion that he was suggesting coronavirus is a hoax, or doing anything other than suggesting that the Democrats attacks/criticism of his response to the virus is going to be their new angle of attack, I’d imagine you have to be one (or more) of three things:

· A Democrat hack
· An imbecile
· Happy to wilfully misrepresent DJT at any cost to your credibility as that suits your agenda and confirmation-bias

Not clear enough? At another press conference the following day Trump was asked about those comments and confirmed that when referring to a hoax he didn’t mean the virus itself but essentially how the Democrats were seeking to use the situation against him and his Government.

Having continued to run with it even after that clarification, even those leftist bastions of ‘orange-man-bad’ anti-Trumpism, Channel 4 and the Washington Post, were forced through their own fact-checking processes to admit the ‘Trump says coronavirus is a hoax’ narrative was untrue.

I’d have thought we could legitimately criticise some of his responses to the current situation without having to resort to lies and deception.

 

I’ve no reason to doubt he said all of those things, and that we can legitimately criticise him for some of the typically Trumpian things he's said in recent weeks, however what I do know is that he has never said that coronavirus is a hoax, which is what you had stated and what I picked you up on. Are you prepared to admit you were wrong about that?

 

An excellent post.

 

I agree with everything but your last line. No one deserves this. The religious far right will have the most blood on their hands with their stupidity, using their religious claptrap to claim God will protect people. If there is a God I hope he's got his head in his hands.

In the words of Nick Cave, I don't believe in an interventionist God.

 

Laughing.