Eat Out To Help Out.

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  1. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    Jimmy viz, Oct 30, 2020
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    Bit obvious really lol. It encouraged folk who wouldn’t normally go out for meals to do so. Restaurants were packed out every night it was on.
     
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    Inclined to agree, it’s not rocket science pointing out that when people are gathered closely together in inside spaces the virus spreads.
     
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    Totally. Like the work place and like education.
     
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    At the office where I work there's desk space for 150 people. At the moment there's 4 people in. That's what you call social distancing:)
     
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    they should have got them sat down quicker. Once folk are sat down there’s no need for masks and everyone is safe :D
     
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    For months I was in an office that could easily seat 40 all alone. It's spread out at the best of times with only 11 of us but with just me it was a bit odd.
     
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    I am slighlty confused though because that directly contradicts the figures that show pubs and restaurants are responsible for around 3% of new infections

    Also by this
    "Places that experienced high rainfall around lunch and dinnertime ended up seeing lower infection rates than areas that enjoyed nicer weather."

    So it is safer to eat inside than out then - that doesnt seem right at all to me

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    "The UK saw a massive explosion of cases in a way that was not seen in other countries."

    really - like hasn't happened in say France or Spain

    Finally look at the graph of new cases
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    Eat out to help out ran throughout august and the new cases look fairly stable - its only when you get into September AFTER the eatout scheme had finished that the cases started to take off again coincidentally just after the schools went back
     
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    Looks like being in safe covid secure pubs and restaurants were OK and when education returned to crammed classes and accomodation they increased a lot from mid September. We could all see that coming.
     
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    Oddly when some suggested it was ‘obviously’ a bad idea at the time they were berated, called cowards and accused of wanting to create a police state.

    Hindsight is an exact science eh?
     
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    It's always been suggested that the cases will show a 10-14 day lag so you would expect a spike to come from mid August onwards when it appears to come mid-September. On that basis I'm not sure how you attribute it to EOTHO to be honest.

    I find it interesting how once study from a University suddenly is released, which is hardly condemning in it's stats of the situation at 8% to 17%, it's suddenly treated as the truth. No questions asked. Yet PHO have consistently provided data to the contrary, and that must be wrong.
     
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    The cases start to kick up in the last week of August (after the 25th) which was before kids returned to school. My personal theory is that EOTHO gave people a false sense of security that it was over - along with the drive to return to offices, etc - and people relaxed.

    So some caught it in pubs - and the research from Spain suggests that the measures taken aren't enough without increasing ventilation - and they passed it onto those who spread it through schools, offices and colleges.
     
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    They don't really pick up until September begins. I would put August Bank Holiday, Education, Offices and Care Homes ahead of hospitality and the general tiring of restrictions.

    If EOTHO was such a contributing factor, which the study doesn't really confirm, the numbers would have rocketed before the kids got back to school and then kicked on to another level from there.
     
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    If eat out to help out was responsible for spread, why have pubs been shut, but restaurants not?
     
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    Because the Government are now blatantly disregarding SAGE advice on an almighty scale.
     
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    I think it was a contributing factor in the same way Cummings was a contributing factor. Not because he personally passed it on to lots of people and not because people started catching in pubs but because people started using EOTHO as a reason for ignoring restrictions. I heard and saw absolutely loads of people saying things along the lines of ‘it can’t be that bad if we’re being encouraged to go out’, ‘they wouldn’t pay for half of our meals if we still needed to hide away’ ‘stop being a wimp and go out’. It also felt at one point like it became a bit of a competition on here with people doing the ‘I’m a better fan (of the economy) than you’ and listing all the places they have been and almost taking the piss out of and guilt tripping people who hadn’t. I don’t think the pubs who ran it were at fault and I know how hard they worked to keep their places safe but the scheme itself certainly changed people’s attitudes and that will have had an impact.
     
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    Possibly. But the data suggests otherwise and is way more reliable than what each of us hear - because that will differ depending on what you read, who you speak to, etc. I heard none of what you just described, but others will have done. And I don't think there was any of the things you just suggested rife on here other than discussions about lockdown having a negative impact overall. I do remember a lot of 'I'm alright Jack' though, but thankfully that morphed in to more reasonable and genuine discussions. I didn't use EOTHO once by the way. I've hardly been out at all sadly.

    The minute you encourage people away from Covid secure environments in to none-Covid secure environments you're losing. And we never made care homes or education secure.
     
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    Yes that l’s my take it was the slow drip feed of events. Cummings then get back to the office or you lose your job then get down the pub/ restaurant for a meal. People thought it can’t be that bad and let their guard down.
     
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    I think the weather implication is that people used the scheme when the weather was nice but stayed home in the rain which is usual behaviour.
     
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    Don't understand why the infection rates levelled off during July and August but started to rise dramatically in September. Still put this down to schools and universities returning
     
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