Barnsley FC & Admira Wacker

Barnsley FC formed in 1887 as Barnsley St Peters and moved to Oakwell in 1888, dropped the St Peters from the name and it's been the same ever since. Relatively easy to trace our history.

SK Admira Vienna formed in 1905. SC Wacker Vienna formed in the Meidling area of Vienna in 1908. Vfb Modling formed in 1911. Admira and Wacker merged in 1971 to form Admira Wacker Vienna then merged with Vfb Modling in 1997 to form Admira Wacker Modling. They don't actually play in Modling but in a nearby town by the name of Maria Enzersdorf. Modling is only about 10 miles away from Vienna apparently.

This doesn't seem to be that uncommon in the smaller countries of Europe but if it has happened to your club how do you trace the history of your club? Can fans of Vfb Modling claim the titles of Admira/Wacker as their own? I wonder how the supporters feel about it all. Imagine it's 1997 and instead of going to the Premiership we're told that we're merging with Rotherham United, playing at Millmoor under the name Rotherham Barnsley United and that club won the cup in 1912. There'd have been hunger strikes and marches to the FL HQ. John Dennis would have been lynched and we'd be chaining ourselves to the West Stand.

I can't think of a comparison in this country as it's not really similar to Wimbledon's move to Milton Keynes. If you were a fan of the Vienna based club could you really take over another club from another town and genuinely feel that was your club? I don't think I could.


PS just noticed their name is actually Flyeralarm Admira Wacker Modling. Rolls off the tongue but how tinpot? Would be like us being called Max Spielmann Barnsley FC.

 

Dagenham and Redbridge? Rushden and diamonds?

 

Dundee Hibernian formed 1909. Then changed in 1923 to Dundee United. Fortunately Hibs never won anything of note so the claiming of titles never was a problem.

Rangers FC 50 odd titles liquidated in October 2012. Then The Rangers were formed making them the least successful team in Glasgow.
Surprisingly enough The Rangers like to take the credit for their team winning 50 League titles. Amazing achievement for a 5 year old club.

Could someone please get in touch with Guinness Book Of Records.

 

Perhaps fans of these clubs are not bothered about the history?

 

Solihull Moors

 

Thames Valley Royals. Almost.

 

In the late 50's Admira Wacker were known as Sports Club Wacker Wien. To celebrate the erection of their floodlights
Doncaster Rovers staged some prestigious games against various teams. I know this because my late Dad collected
Rovers programmes and I found them in a suitcase in the loft when we moved house after his death.
They played Hibs, Celtic, Rangers, Fiorentina, an All Stars XI ( Swift, Leuty, Duncan, Metcalfe, Shankly, Sewell, Doherty,
Jack Shaw, Finney, Selkirk, Liddell etc) and Sports Club Wacker Wien. Apparently the game was abandoned due to fog.
I believe as Conan rightly says the name change came about in the 70's and it was purely as a result of severe financial
difficulties. It seems to have paid off as supporters still have a Club they can follow albeit at first there must have been some
loyalty issues.

 

Clubs currently in the Premier League, the Football League or the Football Conference:

• Bury created by the merger of Bury Unitarians and Bury Wesleyans in 1885.
• Stoke City created by the merger of Stoke Ramblers and Stoke Victoria in 1878.
• Luton Town created by the merger of Luton Town Wanderers and Excelsior in 1885.
• Ipswich Town created by the merger of Ipswich A.F.C. and Ipswich Rugby Club in 1888.
• Newcastle United created by the merger of Newcastle West End and Newcastle East End in 1892.
• Watford created by the merger of West Hertfordshire and Watford St Mary's in 1898.
• Maidenhead United created as Maidenhead Town by the merger of Maidenhead and Maidenhead Norfolkian in 1919 before changing its name to Maidenhead United in 1920.
• Torquay United created by the merger of Torquay Town and Babbacombe in 1921. Torquay Town was itself created by the merger of the original Torquay United and Ellacombe in 1910.
• Rotherham United created by the merger of Rotherham County and Rotherham Town in 1925.
• Ebbsfleet United created as Gravesend & Northfleet by the merger of Gravesend United and Northfleet United in 1946 before changing its name to Ebbsfleet United in 2007.
• Dagenham & Redbridge created by the merger of Dagenham and Redbridge Forestin 1992. Redbridge Forest itself was created by the merging of three separate clubs. Ilford and Leytonstone merged in 1979 to become Leytonstone & Ilford which then merged with Walthamstow Avenue in 1988 to become Redbridge Forest.
• Rushden & Diamonds created by the merger of Rushden Town and Irthlingborough Diamonds in 1992.
• Hinckley United created by the merger of Hinckley Town and Hinckley Athletic in 1992.
• Havant & Waterlooville created by the merger of Havant Town and Waterlooville in 1998. Havant Town was itself created as Havant & Leigh Park by the merger of the original Havant Town and Leigh Park in 1969, before being renamed Havant Town in 1982.
• Hayes & Yeading United created by the merger of Hayes and Yeading in 2007.
• Solihull Moors created by the merger of Solihull Borough and Moor Green in 2007.
• Queens Park Rangers created by the merger of Christchurch Rangers and St Judes in 1886.

 

Relocation of teams to New TownsEdit
Several examples of relocation in the UK focus on the phenomenon of New Towns, built to cope with the shortage of housing following the Second World War. Many of these towns had large populations, but lacked professional football teams due to their age. Also, some clubs that did not move changed their names to reflect the creation of nearby new towns.

Clyde F.C.Edit
Clyde F.C. moved from Shawfield Stadium(near Rutherglen in the south east of Glasgow) to the new town of Cumbernauld in 1994. They had been evicted from Shawfield in 1986. By 1990, Clyde secured an agreement to build a home of their own in the new town of Cumbernauld, which had grown in population and was by 1990 one of the larger settlements in Scotland without senior football. They were homeless from 1986 until Broadwood Stadium was built in Cumbernauld in 1994. The move allowed Clyde to continue as a semi-professional club.

Meadowbank Thistle → Livingston F.C.Edit
Meadowbank Thistle, a struggling Edinburghclub controversially relocated in 1995 to the new town of Livingston, 19 miles away. It changed its name to Livingston F.C., its fortunes improved and it won the Scottish League Cup in 2004.

Wellington Town → Telford UnitedEdit
Wellington Town F.C. never relocated, but changed its name in 1969 to Telford United, after the new town of Telford (formed in 1963) was expanded to include the club's home of Wellington. The club went into administration and was dissolved in 2004, but was re-founded the same year as A.F.C. Telford United.

Wimbledon F.C. → MK DonsEdit
Main article: Relocation of Wimbledon F.C. to Milton Keynes
The Norwegian owners of Wimbledon F.C.proposed to move the club from South London to Milton Keynes in 2001. The proposal received FA approval in 2002. Those Wimbledon fans who were unhappy with the proposal withdrew their support and created a new team in called AFC Wimbledon; Wimbledon F.C. went into administration in 2003. The club was bought out of administration by Inter MK Ltd., transferred to Milton Keynes and subsequently renamed Milton Keynes Dons F.C. in 2004. Twelve years before the move to Milton Keynes, Wimbledon had already left their London borough of Merton home for Selhurst Park in (the London borough of) Croydon. Plans to move Wimbledon F.C. had been discussed as early as 1979.

 

Thanks for the history lesson Tyrone. An enjoyable read

 

Another one thats obvious is arsenal who were woolwich arsenal untill they relocated to islingington and the fir obvious reasons dropped the woolwich

 

If I could just expand for you Tyrone.
Meadowbank Thistle → Livingston F.C.Edit
Meadowbank Thistle, a struggling Edinburghclub controversially relocated in 1995 to the new town of Livingston, 19 miles away. It changed its name to Livingston F.C., its fortunes improved and it won the Scottish League Cup in 2004.

Meadowbank were originally Ferranti Thistle. A works sponsored team who played in the East of Scotland leagues. Got their chance to join the Scottish league but had to vacate their ground and play at Meadowbank Stadium. The league would not sanction the name Ferranti because of advertising purposes so Feranti took the name of the ground Meadowbank. Becoming Meadowbank Thistle.
Then as you quite rightly say moved to Livingston to harness the growing population their and to provide them with a football team. Very difficult for them with Hibs Hearts Celtic and Rangers all within 30 miles of them.
Good wee set up there. Do a great pie beans and chips for less than a fiver.

 

Pie beans and chips...living the dream there Ian.

 

I'm talking about a top tier team with decades of history who've played in the European cup. Not teams who are five years old or playing in the seventh tier.

 

The formation date of Dundee United is 1909. A change of name is not a new club or a merger.

 

With lashings of brown sauce.

 

Opposite to mergers .. clubs being set up from another club..
Sheff Utd/ Wednesday
Everton / Liverpool
Fcunited/mufc

 

Hmm I think you maybe splitting hairs here Conan. Although I am certain Dundee Hibs almost went to the wall financially in 1923 and it was then a decision was made to change the club. I also believe Celtic helped out in keeping the club afloat.
Lots of sectarian trouble at the time so a new club was formed. Dundee United. new board and a change of colours.
There is a book called Across the great divide. You might want to see if you can get hold of it. It gives an account of the troubles both Dundee clubs have had and charts their history.

 

But they didn't merge with another club though. It's not like Dundee Thistle took over and and changed the name to Dundee Utd. Does the club recognise 1909 as the date of formation?

The example with Admira Wacker Modling Vienna would be if Dundee Utd went to the wall, moved to Station Park, named the club Forfar Athletic Utd and claimed that Forfar were spl champions in 1983.

 

OK Getting what you are saying.

OK ....Dundee FC the product of a merger of Dundee East End and Our Boys.

Both horrible clubs IMHO. LOL