Dazed and confused as a club

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  1. Red

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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

     
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    Why do you keep hiding behind SCMP? When I asked how you think it affects other clubs you said you didn't know because you are only interested in BFC. Either SCMP is a restriction and issue for all clubs, or it affects no on. Which is it?
     
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

     
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    I can never multiple quote on this so apologies for the above.

    I thought we avoided relegation the season we sold John Stones? I've tried a quick Google search but couldn't see anything conclusive, and after my memory fail with Colace earlier in the week I'm loathed to try and say something as fact.

    Who are these three players? If you're including Hourihane and Scowen, they were initially found using the statistics method not through traditional scouting.

    Good post though.
     
    Loko the Tyke, Nov 25, 2015
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  5. Red

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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    come on O K answer the questions -- if you can!

    - who replaces LJ and what's the advantage of your negativity
     
    Red-Taff., Nov 25, 2015
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    I do not keep hiding behind SCMP. Why do you keep avoiding it?

    Am I wrong to point out that SCMP has forced the club to sell or move on all its highest paid players when we were relegated?
    Am I wrong to say that it limits the type of player that we are allowed to recruit because it limits the amount of money that we can pay them?
    Am I wrong to say that its affects will limit our ability to compete in the higher division if we are ever promoted back there?
    Is there any part of our strategy that SCMP does not affect?

    It is time for you to think seriously about SCMP and how it has affected our club over the last two years. And then think about how it has affected us differently to the way that it has affected clubs that were already playing in this division, all of whom made the transition to SCMP rules at the same time when the scheme began.
     
    Red Rain, Nov 25, 2015
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    It's hard to imagine NOT going down to support Barnsley. That support isn't dependent upon what division we're in, or what success we have (or don't, which is usually the case:D). Health & finances permitting, I'll continue to go down for many years yet. I'm not going to withdraw that support just because the going gets tough and we find ourselves in a difficult period. I believe you appreciate the good times more when you've experienced the bad times together. I'd prefer us not to be relegated, but if we are then we are.
    Others can do as they see fit (who am I to judge them?). But, by the same token, so will I.
     
    JLWBigLil, Nov 25, 2015
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    I do like being made to justify the terms of my support...
     
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    And when you do, risk being labelled a Happy Clapper.:D
     
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    Been happy clapping/negative tw@t for 40 years, not stopping now.
     
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    SCMP impacts us like it does all other teams (including Bury) who have attracted a string of high profile experienced recruits. It's has no more or less an impact on us than it does on Coventry or Gillingham it's getting lost in the details to think it does.
     
    Jimmy viz, Nov 25, 2015
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    over to you O.K............
     
    Red-Taff., Nov 25, 2015
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    Mind boggling stuff which is your right to post but is overcomplicating a relatively simple proposition.
    Do we show patience and stick with the Manager and end up relegated this season?
    Or do we get rid, appoint a new manager who will potentially have the next transfer window to wheel and deal as well as impose fresh ideas to unite what decent players we have which may halt our slide down the league?
    No Garantees but we have to try otherwise we may as well give up.
     
    Dr Zazlos, Nov 25, 2015
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    WARNING! Dull and tedious fact coming up.
    Tommy James and the Shondells were at Number 1 with 'Mony Mony' when I first started watching us.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkMgs3lFwkQ
     
    JLWBigLil, Nov 25, 2015
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  15. Ors

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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    Steady there lad! I have other things to attend to tha knows!

    It's not for me to say who replaces LJ. But no manager of BFC has achieved a worse run of league defeats than he. There are people at the club who have more experience of identifying managers than me - but they've failed so far. If they can't improve their selection process then they should bring in someone as a consultant to identify a manager who could take the club forward. But they'll have to be prepared to pay for him.

    I don't perceive myself as negative - simply objective. I call it as I see it. I respect those who attend come what may, and demand little of the club. But I believe that when you pay good money you are entitled to see something that passes for entertainment. I'm more interested in that than in demanding promotion. But what we have seen this season is abysmal. The club view some of the output on here, and I think it's as well for them to know that they are going to lose substantial numbers of their customers next season if they continue on the present disastrous tack.
     
    Orsen Kaht, Nov 25, 2015
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    Twas Lonnie Donegan with "My Old Man's A Dustman" for me, JLWBL.
     
    Orsen Kaht, Nov 25, 2015
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    It is your right as you constantly remind us to do what you want, but looking at the bigger picture, for the good of the club, I would sooner stay in this division and if that means someone showing some ****** in making the decision for change then bring it on!
     
    Dr Zazlos, Nov 25, 2015
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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    That reached No. 1 on 31st March 1960 and stayed there for four weeks.
     
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    Oops! Wrong year JLWBL!

    Having re-checked, it was Cliff Richards with "Congratulations!". Appropriate enough because that was the year we were promoted from Division 4!

    Not as old as I look!
     
    Orsen Kaht, Nov 25, 2015
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  20. Red

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    Re: "I don’t have any magic solutions to all this"

    Thanks O. K.
    I agree, what we have seen this season is abysmal. The difference between the pro and anti LJ camps would seem to be the belief by the pro group that things will improve whilst the anti group believe it wont and the club's salvation lies in a new manager.
    I stick with Johnson because I don't see any good managers out there to replace him and to bring a new man in and if things went wrong would be disastrous . No one in the anti LJ group have suggested anyone to be the new manager.
    Also I've listened to him to him in the media and liked what he said.
    On balance I feel there is a better chance of things working out under Johnson than there is of a new manager coming in and 'turning things around and so I stick with him. Performance have been better in the last few games.
     
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