Democracy? - "Upskirting law" blocked by one MP

Good laws like the three attempts at RIPA, all of which have been found to be illegal and the latest versions is likely to result in GDPR breaches and a lack of data adequacy agreement with the EU ??

 

If someone took a photo of my daughter and I caught them out, I would commit unspeakable acts of cruelty towards them for as long as I could get away with it.

 

They only go through with a nod if they are seen as ‘common sense’ that everyone agrees with. I take your wider points though think that at the end of every debate there must be a vote to prevent filibustering however long it takes.

 

Being a little cynical, I suspect this may be a set up. PMB proposed by Lib Dem. Doddery old Tory told to shout up against it, loosely on basis of what has been discussed in previous posts. May takes it over as a Government White Paper & it is universally passed & her claims to be a feminist are given a veneer of credibility & lots of other bad stuff re Brexit is forgotten about / buried.

 

I think that’s all the current law protects. I find the whole idea of going commando weird but I know some lasses who do all the time, especially on a night out to avoid VPL and for comfort.

 

Classic case of badly written law... Illegal to use dashcams in Luxembourg and Austria apparently due to privacy laws i.e. the camera captures images of people/children etc without their permission. Strangely this 'privacy law' may also mean that pictures taken on a beach that include people/children in swimwear in the background could also fall foul of the law. That said I am unsure of how many, if any, convictions have been made using the said law.

In this instance...upskirting is gross invasion of someone's privacy but without seeing the wording of the law , I would have thought current legislation would be sufficient to charge and penalise someone maliciously and deliberately carrying out such an action without the need for yet another new law.

 

You'd be wrong. The picture has to be classed as sufficiently graphic, if the woman is wearing underwear it doesn't count (even though the person taking the picture cannot possibly know whether they are or not until they view said picture). Currently you can only pursue charges under outraging public decency or voyeurism, however (from the BBC):

• Voyeurism only applies to filming actions taking place in private
• Outraging public decency usually requires someone to have witnessed the action but upskirting is often unobserved
• It may be only discovered later because footage ends up on the internet
• It also has to take place in public - some spaces like schools might not count as public
• Unlike other sexual offences, people don't have automatic right to anonymity

 

Not tricky at all, it should be against the law, and all offenders prosecuted, making an excuse because they are young is encouraging the next lot of sex offenders

 

OK I stand corrected.

 

I remember a Hsbc banker got caught doing this in about 2001. He was in Argos on the mood in Sheffield. He was charged and I remember front page news in the Star. I’m pretty sure he was jailed..?

 

It’s all pants!

 

I thought the protest this man did and has done before in the past
Has nothing to do with the actual content of the bill
His protest is about these laws that get pushed through in the dead of night when there’s usually about 5 people still there to talk about and debate them.

Laws get allotted at these times thinking nobody is going to want to debate or protest them and they will automatically sail through and be passed into law
So no need for people to bother or have to be there
And the government is also sometimes accused of trying to sneak bills through when nobody’s about.

His beef is every law making desicion is as important as each other no matter it’s content so should be dealt with accordingly.
with the same respect as any other with a full house to debate and talk/ argue about its merits and possible pitfalls.

Nothing to do with the content of the actual bill itself , in this case the up skirting law
Obviously the media have gone to town on it as it’s a particular media friendly issue as he very well must have known and we can assume that’s why he targeted it for maximum publicity to highlight his cause.

 

I couldn't believe how few MP's were actually there to vote!

 

In a public place, he was caught so was observed by someone, that fits two of the criteria already. See my post above though which shows the limitations and why the law still needs to be changed despite some prosecutions being able to go ahead currently.

 

Whatever happened to the good old mirror on the end of a walking stick trick?

Bloody technology!!!