DUP to get £1bn over 2 years

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http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-theresa-villiers-dup-deal/

Why people absolutely hate politicians. Lie lie lie deny. Hats off to James O'Brien for keeping his temper.


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By real world do you mean your nasty horrible Tory Party's real world or your personal hatred of anything foreign real world by any chance ?

 

Murder is about right imo Ian.
When you knowingly install material that has already killed in other countries and ignored the obvious warnings to save a few quid.
Health and safety had been eroded and abused by the Tories for many years pouring scorn on measures that were introduced because of incidents occuring from said practices..
The words we'll learn from this rings a bit hollow when they've already rolled back measures that would have prevented this .
It's all about the money for these Tory bstds and their buisness friends and apologists.

Rant over.

Hope your keeping ok mate.

 

Well money was no problem for them to get the DUP on board. Sickening.

 

the Welsh are already on the case matey... the local Welsh news was afire with it. The poison dwarf 'Alun Cairns' secretary of state for Wales was making excuses about saying that for every £100 /head spent in England that £120/per head was spent in Wales.... he did not say what the figures were for Scotland though. Caerwynn Jones the Welsh premier was seething ...he said its a disgrace and was nothing more than a 'bung' to keep Teresa May in post. I have not seen your lass Nichola's reaction yet, but I reckon its gonna be fiery. As for me it has taken all my faith from our system and has confirmed for me something I have believed for a long time... politics is just a legalised crime racket. They all try to tell us that they are acting in the best beliefs of the country when in fact they are only looking after themselves, and that goes for every politician in every party in this country and for most of the world for that matter...... Rant over.

 

LOL you really are a sad individual.

 

I'd be interested to see how our more reasonable right wingers, like Mario would defend this.
Not the fascists, like Gloria & Xerxes...

 

I don't think I can defend it JP. I can understand it but that's quite different to defending it.

We had a completely unnecessary general election in which May ran a catastrophic campaign and this is what we are left with. I'm still quite angry about it all.

Obviously as a supply and confidence agreement our government don't have to implement any DUP policy but the price being paid for their support is very high.

I stop short of saying 'only time will show whether the price paid was worth the outcome' because as I mentioned above this was all so unnecessary and completely avoidable.

 

It's been so daft and such a waste of money. Shame for people like you who argue so well for for what you believe in to be pushed into a position that Is literally indefensible.

What I cannot understand Is the political decision behind it. The Dup was never going to vote in a way that ushered Corbyn in. For someone who's been a politician all her life she seems awful at politics.

 

We now have a "Bung Parliament".

 

All these voters that voted Tory in the General Election hoping to end the triple lock on pensions, put a means test on Winter Fuel (really meant anyone not on pension credit) for the Old Age Pensioner, The Dementure Tax, kill a few Fox's and keeping austerity until the end of this parliament, have got be upset as all these have been kick into the long grass, but after all this there's a shining light for these voters they have now got in bet with a party more right wing than themselves or UKIP by giving them a bung to the tune of £1bn on top of the 500mil they were already getting.

 

Labour attempted to do the same type of deal with the DUP in both 2010 and 2015.

https://order-order.com/2017/06/26/labour-promised-more-cash-for-northern-ireland-in-2010/

 

But wouldn't pay them to do so wouldn't break the Good Friday agreement. That's why the talks broke down.

Guido Fawkes Is about as trustworthy as the Daily Mail.

Corbyn had nothing to do with any discussions. New Labour is dead.

Other than that aye.


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I asked myself the same question JC. We all know that the DUP would do anything to stop Corbyn and McDonnell so my best guess is that May feared some of her backbench MPs to such an extent that she can't see the woods for the trees.

It still leaves more questions than answers because even with a few Tory MPs possibly voting against her in Brexit she would still have, with some Labour MPs voting with the government, enough of a majority to get it through the commons.

You're right about May though, she is now toxic (IMO) and won't survive much past conference, if she makes it that far.

Beware the stalking horse.

 

Seems to imply an "economic package" was worked on by the then NI secretary.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/labour-outrage-over-dup-tory-deal-sickening-hypocrisy-1-8004550

Also £1.2b and DUP deal to get a vote through in 2008 on holding terror suspects for 42 days.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jun/11/terrorism.uksecurity1

 

The DUP made the same financial demands they were rejected when analysed based on as I understand if legal advice around the Good Friday agreement.

There is no defending it slinging mud at others isn't the way to get your argument across. Would you be so sanguine if It was Corbyn giving Sinn Fein money?

If there's no magic money tree to give to nurses or the police or soldiers. If there's no magic money tree to house homeless ex military personnel currently around 7000 uk wide then there should be none for the DUP. Agree or disagree? If there is a need for austerity and no money to keep social housing tenants safe is this in your opinion the best way to spend finite funds.

The DUP confirmed that no financial agreements were made and that they voted on their conscience. Of the 36 Labour MPS who voted against it a certain Jeremy Corbyn.


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Trouble is other than Davidson there is no obvious candidate who isn't almost as toxic and she is ineligible. Can't see Gove or Hunt or even Boris proving significantly more popular. A dearth of political talent ( also suffered by Labour and the LibDems imo)


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I could see Davidson standing at the first bye election that is a winnable Tory seat. She would be a very strong opponent for Corbyn.

 

Agree. She's very on the ball and clever. Even I like her.


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