Give Leeds a 30 point deduction

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  1. Tyk

    Tyke1 Well-Known Member

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    Messed up with Subs today. But Ref is also partly to blame

    Made 4 subs today on 4 separate occasions

    Rules are 5 subs allowed but only on 3 seperate occasions

    30 point deduction is punishment enough i reckon
     
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    And strike ref off list for a blatant breach of basic rules . It’s abart time they were held to account on the basic stuff .
     
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    I must say that I thought halftime subs didn’t count in that respect - since it doesn’t disrupt the game.
     
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    If half time subs count, we broke the rules in the QPR game
     
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    They don’t
     
  6. Tyk

    Tyke1 Well-Known Member

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    Apparently (dont quote me on this) but if both teams make a sub at Half Time it counts as 1. If only one team make a sub it dont count
    Thats what i just read on a page on Facebook which hundreds have said same.
     
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    I don’t know the rule but that makes absolutely no sense at all if anything it would be more sensible for it not to count if both teams made a sub at half time but it would be just really dumb to have a rule that changed depending on the opposition.
     
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    Note to self check rules before posting. It is correct if both teams make a substitution at half time it counts as one of the 3. If only one team does it is. It counted. Who thought that up

    Law 3 – The Players – Temporary amendment

    In summary:

    • Each team will be permitted to use a maximum of five substitutes.
    • To reduce disruption to the match, each team will have a maximum of three opportunities to make substitutions during the game; substitutions may also be made at half-time.
    • If both teams make a substitution at the same time, this will count as one of the three opportunities for each team.
    • Unused substitutions and opportunities are carried forward into extra time.
    • Where competition rules allow an additional substitution in extra time, teams will each have one additional substitution opportunity; substitutions may also be made before the start of extra time and at half-time in extra time.

    https://www.fifa.com/who-we-are/new...emporarily-allowed-for-competition-organisers
     
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    Probably award the game to Luton and count it as a 3 -0 win for them
     
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    @EFL @BBCMOTD @GaryLineker please can somebody clear up my confusion please; how can Leeds United make 4 subs, 1 @ H/T & 3 @ other times during the game. When both Luton and Leeds made a substitution at the same time at half time which is classed as one of the 3

    Both made a sub at half time. That counts as one then leeds made three more. New guidelines. 2 pts deduction. This is what I'm being told

    @andygoldstein05 Did Leeds break the rules tonight with subs. They had 3 occasions during the game and 1 at halftime. Luton made sub at half time also I believe that counts as one of the occasions if both make it at the same time
     
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    We're also at fault from the QPR game then
     
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    Actually, I'm reading it as half time is separate, but the both teams rule is saying that even if both teams make the sub it still counts.

    Hope so. a 2 point deduction from the QPR game would derail us
     
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    Actually I read the rule again and it’s badly worded but I don’t think the intention is to count half time subs what it means is if during the game both teams make a substitution it counts as a substitution for both sides I don’t think it applies to the half time rule

    Could be better written though
     
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    Having given it more thought the way I am reading it is

    The game can be stopped to make a substitution on 3 occasions by each side. If one side stops the game to make a substitution and the other side also makes one at the same time both sides use up a stoppage.

    Half time is a natural stoppage and so a substitution doesn’t count towards the 3. It. Doest matter if both sides make a change

    Neither us no Leeds broke any rules

    It’s badly worded though
     
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    That's how I read it too
     
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    I think the ambiguity lies with the third bullet point which, to avoid confusion, ought to specifically say that it refers to the three non-half time opportunities (which is what I believe it does refer to in practice).
     
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    I think the ambiguity is over there in a box.
     
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    "three opportunities to make substitutions during the game;...."

    I think 'during the game' is the key phrase here

    "....substitutions may also be made at half-time"


    'also' is the key phrase here
     
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    What a stupid rule.
     
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    just realised everyone else already posted this.

    The way I read that is that the half time subs don’t count.
    The next bullet point isn’t related. Just a clarification that even if the games stopped for one team, if the other team make a sub it counts for them too.
     
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